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Here's an interested proposal for trade routes:
Let's say you send two trade routes to a single partner. You merge them into one and get more benefit from it. And you can no longer split it in two (though you can redirect), because it's just being more lucrative.
Why would you do that? Because instead of bringing in 2 * 5 gold it would bring 1 * 12 gold for instance.
This way, it would also be possible to increase trade not by giving new trade routes but by turning them into bigger ones.
Also, it wouldn't spoil existing trade relationships but would just provide an incentive to focus on less trading partners.

What do you think?
 
If we're just adding another route then my forth will go to the Hippus.

Edit: Loki, Jopa is currently in control of the Summer Court and if you wish to assist them we could pool our resources together as I'm their chief source of supplies.
 
That is why having less but more profitable trade routes is interesting. It's a strategic choice.
And it can be flavorful:

Hallowell news agency said:
Hallowell merchants Rugios Pen'Arin and Rok'ros Turnich decided to merge their companies, the already famous Pen'Arin Potatoes and Turnich's Fried Saucers. The company will now be known as 'Rugi and Rok' and will sell to the Grigori potatoes in packs with the brand new knives and frying pans with which to cook them.

Rugios Pen'Arin said:
I know this bold move of ours has surprised some analysts, but we are confident that this was the right thing to do. Instead of competing for the Grigori markets, Pen'Arin Potatoes and Turnich's Fired Saucers will be providing new services like pre-sticked potatoes, potatoes sold with high quality mashing tools, pre-skinned potatoes and all matters of forks to eat them. Our customers will love it, ans we will love their money!

Rok'ros Turnich said:
I am really excited at this opportunity to leverage this new strategy. This merger is an opportunity that opens up new markets and allows us to enter a new paradigm in potato-selling. The synergy between our corporate assets is just huge. The bottom line is that these innovations will boost our growth and make us the uncontested market leaders of potatoes and cutlery.
 
Here's an interested proposal for trade routes:
Let's say you send two trade routes to a single partner. You merge them into one and get more benefit from it. And you can no longer split it in two (though you can redirect), because it's just being more lucrative.
Why would you do that? Because instead of bringing in 2 * 5 gold it would bring 1 * 12 gold for instance.
This way, it would also be possible to increase trade not by giving new trade routes but by turning them into bigger ones.
Also, it wouldn't spoil existing trade relationships but would just provide an incentive to focus on less trading partners.

What do you think?


It's a problem of tracking. It's great for a video game, but not for xml spreadsheet.

EDIT: But I do like proposal. Let me think.
 
One thing i DO like about the proposal is that it takes time to renogiate trade routes.
maybe you should have 'trade routes' which operate just like normal trade routes and 'new trade routes' which are newly assigned trade routes. These only bring in one coin but at the end of the turn mature into a regular 'trade route'. It would be an easy way to keep track of which trade routes are being reassigned too.

You would say (If you are Lanun):
assign trade route to the hippus and then you would get a 'new trade route' worth one coin, then next turn you would know to upgrade it to a regular trade route because new trade routes only exist for one turn.

Anyway... just a thought.

While we are suggesting changes i think that gem and gold mines should provide a 5% building discout cost and that spice farms should increase commerce limit a tiny bit (but not as much as a regular farm).

i.
 
While we are suggesting changes i think that gem and gold mines should provide a 5% building discout cost and that spice farms should increase commerce limit a tiny bit (but not as much as a regular farm).

i.

That was Kol.7 suggestion, I guess it has something to do with you two owning gem mines :) I'll probably return standard 10% bonus but reduce their income bonus.

I maybe finally have time to go ahead and actually add few more resources, and then decrease worth of each one.
 
That was Kol.7 suggestion, I guess it has something to do with you two owning gem mines I'll probably return standard 10% bonus but reduce their income bonus.

The best way IMHO would be to allow of building Normal and Specialised mines/farms. The first would use the higher commerce from resource and the second would use the normal benefits of propitiate improvement. But it would be harder to track.

Also i just re-read the "fixed" version of update and i have to ask one thing: Have laun attacked the city or they just evade the palisade completely?
 
The best way IMHO would be to allow of building Normal and Specialised mines/farms. The first would use the higher commerce from resource and the second would use the normal benefits of propitiate improvement. But it would be harder to track.

Also i just re-read the "fixed" version of update and i have to ask one thing: Have laun attacked the city or they just evade the palisade completely?
I actually proposed that to Kol when he told me about issue, and it even would not be too hard to track. But he did not really agree. What others say?

They attacked outskirts, they haven't broken the palisades, so city is still yours.
 
Jopa, I think you know my opinion on the matter of gem mines ;).

I really do think that resources should act as bonuses, instead of a penalty in some cases (like the gem mines), they should have the same affects as normal mines plus a bonus.
 
They attacked outskirts, they haven't broken the palisades, so city is still yours.

Well, did they even try to broke the palisade or they were happy with taking the outskirts? I pre-prepared a few actions, but this thing change a perspective a little...
 
Well, did they even try to broke the palisade or they were happy with taking the outskirts? I pre-prepared a few actions, but this thing change a perspective a little...

They tried, but after seeing so many men fighting them at the outskirts, and then again many at the palisades, they just suffered some casualties for little gain and then fell back to siege palisades, refresh and wait reinforcements.
 
... a bit late but, vote: NO - due to downgrade of diplomatic relations with nations where you "cancel" trade route...
 
Jopa is there any chance you could have links to past updates in the OP? It's difficult to search throuygh all 41 pages of this thread for the updates.
 
This is kinda random, but what are the stats on the Fawn unit? The Summer Court used it, but it isn't listed under "Other Units". It'd be helpful to know what they count as.
 
@ Kol. - That would be brilliant as I myself have same problem.

Well, if someone has time and will to do it, I'll grant him 30 gold :) If I will have some time after redesigning excel sheets, I'll do it anyway.

@ Tyrs - I will update that post with Fawn, Crusader, and Stone Golem that Luch created. I always postponed it until I do pics for them, but I'll do description even without.
 
Another short story, discussing recent goings-on in the Empire.

In Sickness and In Health Part: I

Asterna Lae stood outside the great oak gates of the Council Chamber, a took a deep breath. ''It sounds like a war zone in there'' she thought to herself, clutching Alexis's latest proclamation tightly in her hand. She had always found the Nobleman's Council a terrifying and intimidating place, preferring the far more tame Chambers of Internal Affairs. At last, she summoned all of her courage and knocked on the door. The sound resonated clearly and loudly through the chamber, as if by magic, and the noblemen fell silent.

''Enter!'' Lord Agron called, sitting at his traditional place to the right of the Throne.

Asterna slowly opened the door, which gave a long, ominous creak. Breathing deeply, she walked quickly between the rows of Vampires on either side, keeping her eyes focused solely on Agron, who smiled to see the document in her hands. At the foot of the podium, she bowed her head in a sign of respect and began the short climb upo the stairs to the Ruling Seat, the wooden platform upon which Alexis and her chief advisors sat. Today only Agron sat there. Alexis was allegedly ill with Jeringtosis, a non-fatal sickness that had spread throughout the Calabim Empire of late, and was refusing to see all but her closest companions, choosing to remain locked in her majestic quarters, although most of the Nobility did not truly believe she was ill, and conspiracy stories spread through the Nobility like a forest fire. Agron, the newly appointed Ikrasa of the Empire, had taken it upon himself to dismiss the other advisors of the court, claiming they were unnecessary while Alexis was away. The Ikrasa was a position held by a Vampire of great status or royal favour who's duties were to run the Nobleman's Council and handle the day to day running of the Empire while the Queen was unavailable, a small, but important increase in power for Lord Agron.

Asterna handed Agron the document, and sat down in the empty seat to his right. Somewhere in the crowd a Vampire gasped, but was immediately hushed by her neighbours. To take a seat at the Ruler's Seat uninvited was a disgraceful act, especially for a human, but most of the nobility now saw the way the wind was blowing and turned a blind eye. Agron unrolled the document carefully and began to recite it to the Council, barely needing to refer to the parchment at all, after all he had wrote it himself:

''The Royal Proclamation of War upon the Ljosalfar Court''​

---

A horn sounded, and then another, and another. All around town the city watch called the signal again and again. The Calabim were at war.

Just outside the city walls, regiments of militia readied themselves for the long journey into the forests, gathering their weapons and checking their supplies one final time. ''Agron's Justice'', as they were called, would soon be on the move. In the midst of it all, a round canvas tent stood, guarded by several Moroi. Within, Agron sat at a round table, covered in maps and other documents, with the commanders of each regiment and a Haloi agent, in deep conversation of strategy and tactics.

Although Agron had no intention of taking part in the fighting itself, every aspect of the army's strategy, including the use of Haloi agents in battle, had been designed by him and discussed in detail in the Proclamation of War. On a map of the Eastern world two areas were marked with croses, the Zwir and Razor Forests, the barbaric borderlands beyond the empire and the primary targets of ''Agron's Justice''.

---

Asterna sat quietly in the Royal Chambers, at the bedside of her Queen. She had been assigned the role of Royal Companion of the Queen while Agron was unable to attend to her himself. She looked over at Alexis, who was asleep, chest gently rising and falling like the tide. She looked like death, Asterna observed, and a wave of pity overcame her. It was difficult to believe that she wasn't really ill, and her unusual sleeping habbits had been caused only by a strange concoction of Agron's, intended to give her some well-deserved rest by bringing sleep to the sleepless. She began to sob, quietly but forcibly, unable to hold back her tears. If Alexis ever did become ill, and died, then what would become of the Empire? Of course, she knew of Agron's plans, and that they did, eventually, require the removal of the Queen, but sometimes she worried. Even if Agron's plans were successful, what would the peasantry think? Although Agron didn't like to admit it, their opinion did matter in these times of change. They were devoted to Alexis entirely, as from a young age every human of the Empire was taught the story of Al-ash-Ir, and how Alexis had saved the first of the Calabim from destruction. Asterna imagined what a powerful woman she must have been in those days, not withering and thin like she was now. She had lived for almost a thousand years, and had seen the Calabim grow stronger and greater by the day, all because of her hard work. Could the Empire even survive without Alexis, she wondered.
 
From Vyra Tyrs, Queen of Winter
To C.I.A. Agron
This message was to be a obligatory warning against further aggression into the Zwir and Razor forests. I see that it is a bit late for that now. The Ljosalfar Court is soon to be merged with the Svartalfar Court, own peoples will be one again. The Zwir and Razor forests are to merge into my kingdom. Moving further troops into those lands will be seen as an act of aggression and have will have consequences as such. Withdraw what troops you have from those land.
 
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