lurker's comment: If I may ask, why disband the slaves? If you can't escort them home, why not just send them scampering? The AI never seems to miss a chance to chase strays.
GR28 - AWM vs 30 civs, Pangea
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ThERat
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yes, by all means disband the catapults, the slaves can be scattered and collected later on. That's my normal tactic, the AI will chase them and send them back home. Since they are Persian, they will faithfully catch them and bring them back home.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Well played. We are still expanding. That means there is hope.
Which way was the Carthage unit? I keep hoping we can find some direction with a smaller number of civs. If we can shorten up the front line we would be doing well. One direction has only the Persians and Ottomans so far, so my hope is that the number of civs from that direction is limited. I think the 'being surrounded' aspect is the hardest part of this position though the lack of initial rivers certainly didn't help.
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Which way was the Carthage unit? I keep hoping we can find some direction with a smaller number of civs. If we can shorten up the front line we would be doing well. One direction has only the Persians and Ottomans so far, so my hope is that the number of civs from that direction is limited. I think the 'being surrounded' aspect is the hardest part of this position though the lack of initial rivers certainly didn't help.
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Northern Pike - Away until march
What Greebley said. I think it would be helpful to know where Carthage's rush will come from, though it seems to be from the north of the Ottomans. I'll probably only get to take a good look at this on Sunday, so plenty of time to discuss options.
My biggest worry after a quick glance is Baruun-Urt, Nineveh can be abandoned. And we can settle between Argh and Poohbear to fill the gap. Other than that, fill up the area around Taggart and Lilli Von Shtupp.
My biggest worry after a quick glance is Baruun-Urt, Nineveh can be abandoned. And we can settle between Argh and Poohbear to fill the gap. Other than that, fill up the area around Taggart and Lilli Von Shtupp.
ThERat
Deity
yes, apologies that I forgot to mention. We met Carthage while taking out Persian cities. so they are some where to the northwest
I would try to keep Baaruun Urt as it gives us another luxury. I would instead add additional towns to make a front line. Even better would be to put it past Ur if we can.
With 7 Armies I also think we should try to send out 3 if we can do so without losing towns.
Agreed there, armies that help defend is nice, but it doesn't stop our rivals from producing more units. I'll probably play my turns tomorrow evening.
Note I meant a total of 3 armies on offense (4 for defense) not 3 more (5 on offense, 2 on defense) simply because I think we will need more than 2 armies for defense, especially as we will also have new civs hitting us with their initial rush of units.
I've decided to keep it to 8 turns. Watching the Olympics is eating too much of my time. Don't want to finish this another day later because of women's speedskating. Here's the turnlog and a quick summary.
- Babylon is eliminated
- We have our eight army
- We met Japan, they're nothing to worry about. Neither is Carthage from the looks of the three units I've seen so far from them.
- Ottoman SOD is not so bad
- Dutch started on Sun Tzu's, so expect Swiss mercs.
- Our west is in a lot better shape, but still needs to be supplied with offensive units.
- Sumeria is a serious problem, they're producing MDI in big quantities. We need to send our armies to them quickly.
- Zulu and Spain are at war with each other.
- With the switch to MDI's. It's hard to produce more than we lose, even with very good odds. We're simply not making many units.
- We learned gunpowder
- We should really keep merging workers with new towns. Argh having no walls caused a lot of problems.
I'll post my real synopsis tomorrow.
- Babylon is eliminated
- We have our eight army
- We met Japan, they're nothing to worry about. Neither is Carthage from the looks of the three units I've seen so far from them.
- Ottoman SOD is not so bad
- Dutch started on Sun Tzu's, so expect Swiss mercs.
- Our west is in a lot better shape, but still needs to be supplied with offensive units.
- Sumeria is a serious problem, they're producing MDI in big quantities. We need to send our armies to them quickly.
- Zulu and Spain are at war with each other.
- With the switch to MDI's. It's hard to produce more than we lose, even with very good odds. We're simply not making many units.
- We learned gunpowder
- We should really keep merging workers with new towns. Argh having no walls caused a lot of problems.
I'll post my real synopsis tomorrow.
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CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Two real quick high points.
One, we have six cities at size 7! Ta-Tu, Karakorum, Kazan, Ulaan, Hovd and Delandzadgad. Tie-Dye Frenzy will complete an aqueduct in 4. Monarchy is getting closer.
Two, we are building five settlers, in Jungley Swamps, Banana Bob's Chutney, Ellipi, Taggart and Lili Von Schtupp. Three of those cities net 1 spt, so we could pop-rush those three settlers so that we can be ready to expand to 36 cities for a 9th Army.
One, we have six cities at size 7! Ta-Tu, Karakorum, Kazan, Ulaan, Hovd and Delandzadgad. Tie-Dye Frenzy will complete an aqueduct in 4. Monarchy is getting closer.
Two, we are building five settlers, in Jungley Swamps, Banana Bob's Chutney, Ellipi, Taggart and Lili Von Schtupp. Three of those cities net 1 spt, so we could pop-rush those three settlers so that we can be ready to expand to 36 cities for a 9th Army.
Sounds like we are still doing decently if we are managing to expand. I got it. Will play this weekend.
Pictures so it did happen. 
There's also another army that's probably not in the pictures NW of Babylon, healing outside Persian borders.
The East
Note the annoying thing the Celts have been doing. Spreading out. I have had little luck with trying to get them to hit one target. As soon as units were shuffled around, they'd switch targets. After fighting broke out between theCelts Zulu and the Spanish, the area west of "Zulu's go home" was abandoned pretty fast.
The West
Only seen three units form Carthage so far, the ones TheRat met in his turn. They've decided to to a bit more to the north compared to the Otto's and Persians.
The South
All that jungle doesn't make it easier. It's hard to keep their numbers down.
The North
It looks pretty all right now. So much probably that the three armies seem like overkill. I was actually sending two to the north to pillage, when they ran into all those MDI´s. Probably best if two armies are send to pillage and raze Sumer.
There's also another army that's probably not in the pictures NW of Babylon, healing outside Persian borders.The East
Note the annoying thing the Celts have been doing. Spreading out. I have had little luck with trying to get them to hit one target. As soon as units were shuffled around, they'd switch targets. After fighting broke out between the
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The West
Only seen three units form Carthage so far, the ones TheRat met in his turn. They've decided to to a bit more to the north compared to the Otto's and Persians.
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The South
All that jungle doesn't make it easier. It's hard to keep their numbers down.
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The North
It looks pretty all right now. So much probably that the three armies seem like overkill. I was actually sending two to the north to pillage, when they ran into all those MDI´s. Probably best if two armies are send to pillage and raze Sumer.
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CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Three Armies in the North seems about right. At the moment, based on the screen shot, I would keep two Armies back for whackin' units and send the other one to pillage.
Is Spain at war with both the Celts and Zulu?
Is Spain at war with both the Celts and Zulu?
Preturn: builds look pretty good. I make minor adjustments. I think we will need more settlers. We can't rush them because none of the towns are size 4. Capitol will likely go back to making them despite losing a size 7 city doing that as it doesn't yet make a difference.
Make a number of attacks and bombardments. I would like to move more armies onto offense if I can.
Also need some offensive units near Baaruun-Urt other than Armies.
IBT: Sumerian units seem the biggest threat. A lot of MDI. Bob's Banana Chutney gets struck by disease.
850 AD: I got rid of some of the old Archers that weren't Elite. We didn't have a lot of these so only minor savings in Gold (In fact we have built more units than we disbanded).
We get several units going to Elite this turn. Zohak (Persian) is attacked.
IBT: All units near our cities are injured so no attacks. We get Chivalry from the Great Library!
860 AD: We can probably take out Zohak but the one settler isn't ready and Zohak is size 1.
Clear out several units but can't get all the Sumerian ones. They have a potential MDI attack (more if they attack with injured units).
Got a Leader. Will rush another Aquaduct.
IBT: Lose a Pike in the town attacked by MDI (injured ones attack) and a Sword/Spear that didn't have adequate protection.
We get Education. The Great Library is dead.
Auto-destroy Zohak and build Ereen.
870 AD: Get a second Leader. An Army attacks Marad (Sumerian).
Start on Chemistry at full (35 turns at big cash deficit).
IBT: No attacks this turn
880 AD: Get a thrd leader. Marad almost falls (1 hp Horseman on top) but we may have to heal next turn.
IBT: Persians and Ottomans are passing our first city which is always annoying.
890 AD: Heal near Marad. Attacked Samaria (Persian City).
IBT: Large numbers of Japanese Horsemen appear to be on their way to us. They will attack in the same area as the Celts.
900 AD: Raze Samaria and build Choyr. Raze Marad and build another town. These towns are somewhat lame and we will likely want to replace. In part the locations were so that I didn't have to have armies wait around. Got another Leader.
Notes:
Only 7 turns (including preturn), but I will be busy so I am handing it over.
We have almost finished our first keshiks so next player will likely get GA.
I think we should use some of the GA to plan how we can switch to Monarchy.
We got 3 more towns so only one more for another Army. I saved the leader in the hopes we can get one soon.
Look for fortified units - Some towns not attacked will have some including Artillery units.
We should discuss if we want to run science at full until we run out of cash or take it more slowly. With the GA we will actually have decent cash until the end (we have a lot of 1 gold squares).
Make a number of attacks and bombardments. I would like to move more armies onto offense if I can.
Also need some offensive units near Baaruun-Urt other than Armies.
IBT: Sumerian units seem the biggest threat. A lot of MDI. Bob's Banana Chutney gets struck by disease.
850 AD: I got rid of some of the old Archers that weren't Elite. We didn't have a lot of these so only minor savings in Gold (In fact we have built more units than we disbanded).
We get several units going to Elite this turn. Zohak (Persian) is attacked.
IBT: All units near our cities are injured so no attacks. We get Chivalry from the Great Library!
860 AD: We can probably take out Zohak but the one settler isn't ready and Zohak is size 1.
Clear out several units but can't get all the Sumerian ones. They have a potential MDI attack (more if they attack with injured units).
Got a Leader. Will rush another Aquaduct.
IBT: Lose a Pike in the town attacked by MDI (injured ones attack) and a Sword/Spear that didn't have adequate protection.
We get Education. The Great Library is dead.
Auto-destroy Zohak and build Ereen.
870 AD: Get a second Leader. An Army attacks Marad (Sumerian).
Start on Chemistry at full (35 turns at big cash deficit).
IBT: No attacks this turn
880 AD: Get a thrd leader. Marad almost falls (1 hp Horseman on top) but we may have to heal next turn.
IBT: Persians and Ottomans are passing our first city which is always annoying.
890 AD: Heal near Marad. Attacked Samaria (Persian City).
IBT: Large numbers of Japanese Horsemen appear to be on their way to us. They will attack in the same area as the Celts.
900 AD: Raze Samaria and build Choyr. Raze Marad and build another town. These towns are somewhat lame and we will likely want to replace. In part the locations were so that I didn't have to have armies wait around. Got another Leader.
Notes:
Only 7 turns (including preturn), but I will be busy so I am handing it over.
We have almost finished our first keshiks so next player will likely get GA.
I think we should use some of the GA to plan how we can switch to Monarchy.
We got 3 more towns so only one more for another Army. I saved the leader in the hopes we can get one soon.
Look for fortified units - Some towns not attacked will have some including Artillery units.
We should discuss if we want to run science at full until we run out of cash or take it more slowly. With the GA we will actually have decent cash until the end (we have a lot of 1 gold squares).
Northern Pike
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We seem to be keeping our heads above water. 
I can't look at the save, so this is just a general reflection. But I imagine we'll get more research value out of our hoard of gold if we trigger our GA, get more libraries built, and only then go over to full deficit research.
I can't look at the save, so this is just a general reflection. But I imagine we'll get more research value out of our hoard of gold if we trigger our GA, get more libraries built, and only then go over to full deficit research.
