NM has had many undocumented workers for many years. In my 30 years of living here, it has never been seen as a problem by anyone except by politicians trying to get votes. Most of those efforts to make immigration a big issue have failed.
How big is immigration an issue on people's minds (USA and elsewhere)?
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stfoskey12
Emperor of Foskania
I think it's actually worked out basically fine for America. We don't have large-scale immigrant crime or terrorism or anything like that. I think it helps that in America there is this idea that anyone can become an American. A lot of other countries don't have that, to their detriment, IMO.
That wasn't what was asked, though.
Ordnael
Emperor
Good take.
The thing is since my youth times media propagated the idea (trough movies, series, literature and such) that migrants that go to the US are after the American Dream, they want and are proud to become American. Nowadays probably not so much as we see from the antagonising pro Hamas rallies and such in US campuses.
But I don't think we've had or, at least, haven't had for many decades proud immigrants of becoming EU citizens. Maybe the UK and France might've have had a great influx of immigrants proud of becoming one with their new nation but we don't see that nowadays. Of course, happy to blend in migrants exist and I hope those keep coming but more and more I see angry migrants...in Portugal's case angry Brazilians that think we own them something and openly talk about taking our country for themselves... and then we have middle east, Asian migrants that only come for degraded welfare and care little about native culture, people and values, they want to be themselves and live of natives taxes...we already have Gypsies of our own to take care, we can't take more of this mentality of "the natives are bad and we must live of off them"! Fortunately our African migrants from former Portuguese colonies seem to be more in the happy to blend in kind. We see more of the screw the natives mentalities in younger generations for sure, even early Brazilian migrants don't care much for this new wave of compatriots.
Zardnaar
Deity
You keep stating that's not right. Eve if you're technically right (I have better things to do than fact check forums) it's perception that matters.
If the perception is immigration is a problem for whatever reason true or not (probably exaggerated) and people are voting accordingly you need to take that into account.
Hence why I value socialist ideas for example over ilegal immigrants. They're breaking the law. Doesn't matter if the law is an ass or not. To change it you need power.
So improved BHS I'll value for citizens over immigrants even legal ones.
Reality is NHS or whatever will get worse and not much will get done about immigration one way or another.
There's technically right and perception is reality. Two different things. Left thinks technically right matters. These overly evolved monkeys go with perception is reality. The latter is true with social mores.
If you're going to respond to me, please respond to what I actually wrote. Thanks.
This is the post we were replying to:
The point is that the anti-immigrant (particularly European) people here are seeing how the anti-immigrant people in America are going hard fascist and destroying the system of a country that is built on immigration. People holding anti-immigrant views and being willing to tolerate anti-liberal positions, even to their own personal detriment, is directly causing this. That the perception is wrong is only really icing on the cake.
The "perception" in the US is driven by what conservative talk radio, Fox News and Trump want it to be. The perspective they present is not that of most USians.
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Senethro
Overlord
Parties who think they can dabble in just a little light racism and anti-immigration are bringing about their own conversion and making such views acceptable.
The anti-far right alliances in France/Germany will break ranks and cooperate with them within the next 10 years.
The anti-far right alliances in France/Germany will break ranks and cooperate with them within the next 10 years.
Zardnaar
Deity
stfoskey12
Emperor of Foskania
I think a minority of immigrants are the type to attend pro-Hamas rallies. Most immigrants I interact with tend to be fairly patriotic. In the US there does not seem to be a large unemployed immigrant population, but I'm not enough of an expert to comment on the reasoning behind that. I suppose Portugal is in a strange situation having a former colony with 20x its population, that it presumably wants to have good relations with.
Strong Reaction
Prince
It is either by design: used as a tool to demonize Palestinians and justify the murder of civilians and the ethnic cleansing of a territory or its used out of ignorance. Equating anything having to do with Palestinians as having to do with Hamas is a device I see used on all sorts of "conservative" platforms. Its an obvious distortion and a tell that whatever argument follows it is not a good faith one.
ICERAID crypto project claims to pay people to report immigrants and "terrorist" judges to law enforcement
A project called "ICERAID" has emerged, promising to reward "intelligence gathering" on "suspicious activities" by photographing supposedly criminal behavior by undocumented immigrants to law enforcement. The project has been advertised by right wing personalities including Laura Loomer and Matt Gaetz, the latter of whom promised ICERAID lets people "ping the cops faster than you can say 'sanctuary city'."
An instructional video posted to social media by the platform encourages people to "do [their] patriotic duty" by going to a District Court in a blue state, then "Secretly snap a photo of the judge. Don't let the bailiff see you." The video shows a person uploading a photograph of Judge James Boasberg, who is presiding over the Trump administration deportation flights case, and reporting him for "terrorism".
The project has been likened to Stasi programs in which citizens were paid to spy and report on their neighbors.
The founder of ICERAID, Jason Meyers, claims that he had had conversations with the White House about the project, although the website for the tool states it is not affiliated with any government agency and is not a website of the US government. Meyers has faced several enforcement actions resulting in disciplinary penalties over his involvement in security sales, and in 2014 was permanently banned by FINRA from broker-dealer activities after misappropriating investor funds. Meanwhile, multiple users have complained about not receiving their promised ICERAID tokens, and the project reportedly changed its terms after the token presale to reduce the amount of money buyers would earn for participating.
Columbia District Judge James Boasberg, who blocked Trump's deportation flights earlier this month, is listed on the ICERAID explorer for "obstruction of justice".
A project called "ICERAID" has emerged, promising to reward "intelligence gathering" on "suspicious activities" by photographing supposedly criminal behavior by undocumented immigrants to law enforcement. The project has been advertised by right wing personalities including Laura Loomer and Matt Gaetz, the latter of whom promised ICERAID lets people "ping the cops faster than you can say 'sanctuary city'."
An instructional video posted to social media by the platform encourages people to "do [their] patriotic duty" by going to a District Court in a blue state, then "Secretly snap a photo of the judge. Don't let the bailiff see you." The video shows a person uploading a photograph of Judge James Boasberg, who is presiding over the Trump administration deportation flights case, and reporting him for "terrorism".
The project has been likened to Stasi programs in which citizens were paid to spy and report on their neighbors.
The founder of ICERAID, Jason Meyers, claims that he had had conversations with the White House about the project, although the website for the tool states it is not affiliated with any government agency and is not a website of the US government. Meyers has faced several enforcement actions resulting in disciplinary penalties over his involvement in security sales, and in 2014 was permanently banned by FINRA from broker-dealer activities after misappropriating investor funds. Meanwhile, multiple users have complained about not receiving their promised ICERAID tokens, and the project reportedly changed its terms after the token presale to reduce the amount of money buyers would earn for participating.
Columbia District Judge James Boasberg, who blocked Trump's deportation flights earlier this month, is listed on the ICERAID explorer for "obstruction of justice".
On 21 April, Germany will deport me – an EU citizen convicted of no crime – for standing with Palestine
In the first week of January, I received a letter from the Berlin Immigration Office, informing me that I had lost my right of freedom of movement in Germany, due to allegations around my involvement in the pro-Palestine movement. Since I’m a Polish citizen living in Berlin, I knew that deporting an EU national from another EU country is practically impossible. I contacted a lawyer and, given the lack of substantial legal reasoning behind the order, we filed a lawsuit against it, after which I didn’t think much of it.
I later found out that three other people active in the Palestine movement in Berlin, Roberta Murray, Shane O’Brien and Cooper Longbottom, received the same letters. Murray and O’Brien are Irish nationals, Longbottom is American. We understood this as yet another intimidation tactic from the state, which has also violently suppressed protests and arrested activists, and expected a long and dreary but not at all urgent process of fighting our deportation orders.
Then, at the beginning of March, each of our lawyers received on our behalf another letter, declaring that we are to be given until 21 April to voluntarily leave the country or we will be forcibly removed.
The letters cite charges arising from our involvement in protests against the ongoing genocide in Gaza. None of the charges have yet led to a court hearing, yet the deportation letters conclude that we are a threat to public order and national security. There has been no legal process for this decision, and none of us have a criminal record. The reasoning in the letters continues with vague and unfounded accusations of “antisemitism” and supporting “terrorist organisations” – referring to Hamas – as well as its supposed “front organisations in Germany and Europe”.
In the first week of January, I received a letter from the Berlin Immigration Office, informing me that I had lost my right of freedom of movement in Germany, due to allegations around my involvement in the pro-Palestine movement. Since I’m a Polish citizen living in Berlin, I knew that deporting an EU national from another EU country is practically impossible. I contacted a lawyer and, given the lack of substantial legal reasoning behind the order, we filed a lawsuit against it, after which I didn’t think much of it.
I later found out that three other people active in the Palestine movement in Berlin, Roberta Murray, Shane O’Brien and Cooper Longbottom, received the same letters. Murray and O’Brien are Irish nationals, Longbottom is American. We understood this as yet another intimidation tactic from the state, which has also violently suppressed protests and arrested activists, and expected a long and dreary but not at all urgent process of fighting our deportation orders.
Then, at the beginning of March, each of our lawyers received on our behalf another letter, declaring that we are to be given until 21 April to voluntarily leave the country or we will be forcibly removed.
The letters cite charges arising from our involvement in protests against the ongoing genocide in Gaza. None of the charges have yet led to a court hearing, yet the deportation letters conclude that we are a threat to public order and national security. There has been no legal process for this decision, and none of us have a criminal record. The reasoning in the letters continues with vague and unfounded accusations of “antisemitism” and supporting “terrorist organisations” – referring to Hamas – as well as its supposed “front organisations in Germany and Europe”.
United States disappearances tracker is up to 1200 people who have been disappeared
Is that total number of people, or just Americans? They've tried to disappear some Canadians, as well.
In the meantime, illegal border crossings into Canada have increased, just like they did in Trump's first term. I'm sure the people who live near Roxham Road are overjoyed. /s
At least this time they're doing it in spring, so are less likely to end up with frostbite or hypothermia or even die.
Lexicus
Deity
Forgotten wisdom
US judge rules Mahmoud Khalil can be deported for his views
Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia University graduate and Palestinian organizer, is eligible to be deported from the United States, an immigration judge ruled on Friday during a contentious hearing at a remote court in central Louisiana.
The decision sides with the Trump administration’s claim that a short memo written by secretary of state Marco Rubio, which stated Khalil’s “beliefs and associations” were counter to foreign policy interests, is sufficient evidence to remove a lawful permanent resident from the United States. The undated memo, the main piece of evidence submitted by the government, contained no allegations of criminal conduct.
During a tense hearing on Friday afternoon, Khalil’s attorneys made an array of unsuccessful arguments attempting to both delay a ruling on his eligibility for removal and to terminate proceedings entirely. They argued the broad allegations contained in Rubio’s memo gave them a right to directly cross-examine him.
Khalil held prayer beads as attorneys for three attorneys for the Department of Homeland Security presented arguments for his removal.
Judge Jamee Comans ruled that Rubio’s determination was “presumptive and sufficient evidence” and that she had no power to rule on concerns over free speech.
“There is no indication that Congress contemplated an immigration judge or even the attorney general overruling the secretary of state on matters of foreign policy,” Comans said.
A supporter was in tears on the crowded public benches as the ruling was delivered.
Following the ruling, Khalil, who had remained silent throughout proceedings, requested permission to speak before the judge.
Addressing the judge directly, he said: “I would like to quote what you said last time, that ‘there’s nothing that’s more important to this court than due process rights and fundamental fairness’.”
He continued: “Clearly what we witnessed today, neither of these principles were present today or in this whole process.
“This is exactly why the Trump administration has sent me to this court, 1,000 miles away from my family. I just hope that the urgency that you deemed fit for me is afforded to the hundreds of others who have been here without hearing for months.”
Trump administration lists thousands of immigrants as dead in new policy
The Department of Homeland Security requested the Social Security Administration to enter more than 6,000 names of immigrants into its database used to track dead people, according to a DHS official with knowledge of the decision.
The move will effectively financially starve the immigrants, cutting off their ability to legally work in the country, receive various government benefits and access financial services like credit and bank accounts. The Trump administration is hoping it will drive them to self-deport, according to the official. It’s all a part of the administration’s efforts to crack down on migrants in the country.
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