Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Of all the things you can say about Obama, and, dear me, there are so very many, refusing to humour a pointless cadaver-state in its delusions of grandeur is really not one I would place near the top of the list.
I just don't like mitt Romney
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GhostWriter16
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How dare the commander of chief eat a waffle! That's so undignified, all of the ridges in the waffle represent a divided nation. The President can only eat pancakes. Smooth, representative of a united country. That he eats a waffle shows he is a communist dead set on destroying this country
In all seriousness, the bust really doesn't matter. Who cares? He redecorated his office. He may or may not have done something that slighted Britain, but the bust, just, who cares.
For the record, if I were the President, I wouldn't have ANY foreign leaders busts in my office. I'd keep my oval office decorated with pictures of American heroes, like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Ron Paul.
It doesn't matter anyway, though. However...
OK, so you'd also oppose any busts of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, or Franklin Roosevelt then?
Seriously, (As much as the last two absolutely do not deserve the near-worship they get by left and right alike) this isn't something you should be saying "Good riddance" about. That's just going to anger people like Quackers. The correct response is that its just a redecoration and so who cares?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Yes, why feel the need to go abroad for racist creepazoids when you've got such a fine home-grown crop?
civver_764
Deity
It's not like you had anything to do with any of that soo..why do you care?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Even the GOP electors are iffy on whether they really want to vote for Mitt http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Romney-Electors/2012/09/13/id/451656
Thank goodness. Liberty or bust. Mitt Romney does not support change anymore than Obama did during his 2008 rhetoric.
The President will not change in 2013, but in 2017. If we're lucky, Ron Paul will take one or two electoral votes in the process and humiliate this Mitt Romney who we don't like.
Thank goodness. Liberty or bust. Mitt Romney does not support change anymore than Obama did during his 2008 rhetoric.
The President will not change in 2013, but in 2017. If we're lucky, Ron Paul will take one or two electoral votes in the process and humiliate this Mitt Romney who we don't like.
Archbob
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Why should we have a bust of Churchill in the Oval office. We're not a colony of England anymore.
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I have to say I agree with CivG on the mediocre political interest in job creation currently. It's been a brief talking point for Mitt as a in-your-face to Obama, but nothing more.
But I have to say that Mitt's persona doesn't attract me as much as it did in 2004. Just like McCain was an interesting, maybe charming dark horse in 2000, Mitt was the same in 2008 (versus the McCain as Bush the Sequel).
Obama seems about say 15% more genuine in presentation than Mitt, though the "I'm reading this message from a teleprompter" is strong in Obama. That and if you compare today's Obama with 2008's Obama, the kewl aid has definitely gone stale, and what is left is that this someone may actually still rehash the remainder into something resembling a fulfillment of general theme from 2008. So in that regard Obama looks endearing, while Mitt just looks like "I'm not Obama, and you guys hate Obama, amirite?"
But I have to say that Mitt's persona doesn't attract me as much as it did in 2004. Just like McCain was an interesting, maybe charming dark horse in 2000, Mitt was the same in 2008 (versus the McCain as Bush the Sequel).
Obama seems about say 15% more genuine in presentation than Mitt, though the "I'm reading this message from a teleprompter" is strong in Obama. That and if you compare today's Obama with 2008's Obama, the kewl aid has definitely gone stale, and what is left is that this someone may actually still rehash the remainder into something resembling a fulfillment of general theme from 2008. So in that regard Obama looks endearing, while Mitt just looks like "I'm not Obama, and you guys hate Obama, amirite?"
Most politicians are douchebags, especially the ones that run for president. At least Romney is honest/uncharismatic enough to show it.
Archbob
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Honest as in the "I'll say whatver you want to hear type honest"?
Doesn't Michelle Obama hugging the Queen make up for it?
(even though that's completely against official protocol)
Honestly, who cares where the bust is, as long as it's not stuck away in a closet somewhere, or tossed in the garbage. Would CHURCHILL get so worked up about this?
If I had an official office, I'd enlarge my favorite Lolcat pictures and put them up on the walls.
For a politician, that is honest!
But on a more serious note no, I'm referring to his unlike-able vibe. He comes off as a douche because he most likely is a douche; *that's* what's honest about him. After the hysterical BS surrounding Hopey-Changey in 2008, such honesty in a presidential candidate is imo refreshing.
What?? I mean seriously, what? You criticize Obama for not valuing the British-American relationship and in the same paragraph call France and Germany British enemies?
And on this side of the fence, it really doesn't feel like getting any privileged treatment from the US. Obama's focus on Germany mainly consists of asking us to spend more money, and giving Merkel a medal to guilt her into doing so. Maybe it's a "grass on the other side is always greener thing", but to my impression none of Germany or the UK are really favored over the other by the current US administration. But that's exactly the reason why you're upset. You want to be treated better than everyone else only to satisfy delusions of a long past national grandeur.
rugbyLEAGUEfan
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Quackers used the example of the bust in conjunction with other perceived slights against the Brits to argue that Obama values the relationship less than other Presidents. Some of the lesser examples, when viewed in isolation of course could be seen as a trifle. But when looking at the whole picture, there may be something to it which few have attempted to argue against instead just taking the easy option and attacking the one example in the OP.
But really, the whole "Quackers you lunatic, as if the removal of the bust can be seen as proof of Obama's total dismissal of the value of the British / American relationship" is (buzz word alert) disingenuous.
But really, the whole "Quackers you lunatic, as if the removal of the bust can be seen as proof of Obama's total dismissal of the value of the British / American relationship" is (buzz word alert) disingenuous.
But why is it the bust that Quackers always brings up then, and not the more serious slights?
rugbyLEAGUEfan
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Probably because he is a crazy frog and gets sidetracked responding to other posters harping on about the damned bust.
I actually think the DVD's are the biggest issue by far
The ridges of course represent the constitutional limits that protect the rights of the states! Eating a pancake would symbolize tearing down these limits on the path to big government federalism. Don't you see??How dare the commander of chief eat a waffle! That's so undignified, all of the ridges in the waffle represent a divided nation. The President can only eat pancakes. Smooth, representative of a united country. That he eats a waffle shows he is a communist dead set on destroying this country
But he started the whole thing by saying Obama sucks because of the bust. If he said he dislikes him because of his stance on the Malvinas I doubt so many would've reacted the way they did.
They are more serious than the bust. At least they involve an actual diplomatic action.I actually think the DVD's are the biggest issue by far
rugbyLEAGUEfan
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But I'm not convinced he did. I just thought it was the example prominent in the thread as it was recent news.
But I'm not going to trawl through pages of an old thread to make my case and I could well be wrong anyway.
So I'll pass the floor to Quackers if he wants but he's probably either nursing the hangover from hell or still pissed due to it being his birthday.
EnglishEdward
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Well Winston Spencer Churchill's mother was American, so if you like you can include
him in the famous sons of America, you know, just like Barrack Hussein Obama.
GhostWriter16
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This would be closer to what I'd agree with
(Well, not the "Don't eat pancakes" but the larger message about state's rights
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