[RD] I'm transitioning. If you've ever been confused about the T in LGBT, ask me anything

Megan's repeatedly mentioned me here, so I thought I'd drop in and say hi :)
I'm not trans, so I won't answer any questions, unless contre thinks it'd be ok for someone who has a close relationship with someone who wants to transition to chip in on their point of view.
 
Zelig said:
Why is the T lumped in with LGBT?
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Oh hey, I think I know this one, so this goes back to the start of the movement, like in the 60s, everyone in the group was oppressed a lot worse than they are today, it was essentially an alliance of convenience, we'll fight for you, you fight for me, we all grow and become accepted together, except that didn't happen, with the l and the g kinda taking control and leaving everyone else behind. To the point that some people who are homosexual don't believe that bisrxuality exists and that they are confused.

So long story short, these kinda related groups were all persecuted in the past, decided to join together because it would be stronger, one member group took control and left the rest behind. There is decent animosity within the greater group because of this, where some people don't trust or even accept others, it kinda sucks.

Ofc, this is my more minimal knowledge on the subject , and I don't know the history perfectly, but that's my take, if sometime else knows more please correct me.
 
Civ'ed said:
Megan's repeatedly mentioned me here, so I thought I'd drop in and say hi :)
I'm not trans, so I won't answer any questions, unless contre thinks it'd be ok for someone who has a close relationship with someone who wants to transition to chip in on their point of view.
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OMG HAI (>^-^)>

Yep can confirm: is bf
 
Terran Empress said:
Oh hey, I think I know this one, so this goes back to the start of the movement, like in the 60s, everyone in the group was oppressed a lot worse than they are today, it was essentially an alliance of convenience, we'll fight for you, you fight for me, we all grow and become accepted together, except that didn't happen, with the l and the g kinda taking control and leaving everyone else behind. To the point that some people who are homosexual don't believe that bisrxuality exists and that they are confused.

So long story short, these kinda related groups were all persecuted in the past, decided to join together because it would be stronger, one member group took control and left the rest behind. There is decent animosity within the greater group because of this, where some people don't trust or even accept others, it kinda sucks.

Ofc, this is my more minimal knowledge on the subject , and I don't know the history perfectly, but that's my take, if sometime else knows more please correct me.
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It's actually quite interesting how poorly those four letters get along. When gay men and lesbians meet, there's often this vibe of "well, we're never gonna wanna sleep together so I'm not going to ignore your flaws nor try and impress you by hiding mine."

However, you insult either of the of those two letters that do not apply to me, no matter how bad my relationship is with bisexuals I know, I am going to get pissed off because I understand what gays and bisexuals go through as groups.

Actually, if you're properly within queer culture, it's no longer LGBT but LGBT-alphabet-soup, because none of us can keep track of the acronym.
 
contre said:
Actually, if you're properly within queer culture, it's no longer LGBT but LGBT-alphabet-soup, because none of us can keep track of the acronym.
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Well, other than QUILTBAG or the rather cop-out LGBT*, you're pretty much left with GSM, but hey, never mind, eh?
 
Arakhor said:
Well, other than QUILTBAG or the rather cop-out LGBT*, you're pretty much left with GSM, but hey, never mind, eh?
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I like LGBT, and I don't see a need to change. I feel like it's too entrenched as a term to come up with a new one. It's like NAACP; it uses outdated terminology, but it's just too historical to change.
 
15 years ago, it was only LGB, but times change (and that's often a good thing).
 
Fair enough. It's also easier to plug into a search engine.
 
contre said:
It's actually quite interesting how poorly those four letters get along. When gay men and lesbians meet, there's often this vibe of "well, we're never gonna wanna sleep together so I'm not going to ignore your flaws nor try and impress you by hiding mine."

However, you insult either of the of those two letters that do not apply to me, no matter how bad my relationship is with bisexuals I know, I am going to get pissed off because I understand what gays and bisexuals go through as groups.

Actually, if you're properly within queer culture, it's no longer LGBT but LGBT-alphabet-soup, because none of us can keep track of the acronym.
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Regarding the most common extension of LGBT, why do they add a Q? Doesn't "queer" just mean "anyone that is not straight and cis-gendered"? Or does it have some other meaning?
 
Essentially that, yes. So it's a catch-all to any and all non-heteronormatives, basically.
 
Bootstoots said:
Regarding the most common extension of LGBT, why do they add a Q? Doesn't "queer" just mean "anyone that is not straight and cis-gendered"? Or does it have some other meaning?
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Okay. So like, if you really delve into queer culture, this stuff gets fractal. No longer is there a dichotomy of cis/trans. I think how the political compass explains politics would be useful here...

You could imagine gender like this:

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Most people would be in the right or left corners. I'd be in the bottom left. FtMs, upper left. What about someone in the middle? Someone who has no gender identity? What do you do about people who occupy no one spot but commonly move between them? Think of David Bowie, or at least how he was perceived.

And then there's the people who refuse to be a dot on this chart and say they're best represented by a third gender.

Yes, I think this stuff gets weird. The scientist in me wishes to simplify problems. The human in me wants people to express themselves. My compromise understand is to think of queer culture kinda like I think of any broad cultural category.

For example, I have a concept of Native American culture. Now, I understand that the aboriginal population of this hemisphere is (was) as culturally diverse as Eurasia. I understand that Cree people and the people of Patagonia are quite different. But they also share something in common when lumped together and contrasted with Europeans. I'm too far removed culturally to ever understand every other culture on earth. The former French colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa are all the same in my mental picture of the area. I understand this is not true, but I have never had a need to learn about the differences between Chad and Central African Republic.
 
Never seen you before. Or maybe I have but you had a different avatar. Did you frequent OT?
 
I mostly identify as a Q myself - the "somewhere around the middle, but jumping around a lot" variety.
 
Hey contre. I don't have any questions, but it's good to see you again, and I'm happy for you that you're doing this. You deserve to be who you are. :)
 
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