Imperium Offtopicum IV: Third's the Charm?

[Double A]

not anymore. obama is slowly ruining things. next thing you kniw he will cut the military by 3/4.

Ok, Obama is pretty bad, worst president in my life time (and I was born in 94), but America is not hell on Earth. That honor belongs to Sierra Leone.

And I don't think he can or will cut the military, it's volunteer firstly, and he's socialist so he wants to provide the most jobs for the most people.

 

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chinas claims

 

[VladDrakken]

...Ive seen worst. Trust me. Ive seen far WORST presidents then Obama.

Well lately the Emperor has had problems(Aka lack of interest). As such cause of cultural similarities with Spain and the hope the Europeans can offer better protection, we here by cede over to the Marian Federation under the conditions that the culture and people be treated respectfully(And if not a certain "fox" will be getting a rebellion from me )

The territories in Chile can go back to Alaska or become independent, as they seem to be populated by...Ratcicles



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[Mathalamus]

India congratulates the Byzantine Emperor. We've sent him flowers, chocolate, a Kashmiri princess and a card with "Keep Out of Sri Lanka" in big red font followed by" by the way, Congratulation".

Edit: I would like to clarify, the Kashmiri princess was only sent along to give you the flowers, chocolate and the card, and afterwards she plans to go on a holiday in the Crimea. Please treat her respectfully as befit a foreign dignitary.

obviously...

and thank you for the flowers, the chocolate and the card.

 

[Tani Coyote]

The President humbly accepts the honor of being the new leader of the former Neo-Inca Empire.

As of now, plans are drawn up to build a new constitution and divide the Neo Incan lands into new states with full representation in the federal government.

"I will take the Neo Incan people into my arms, much like a parent does to those they adopt. The Neo Incans are much my people as those in Europe." the President said.

Plans are already underway to standardise weights, measures, and procedures in the new territories to match those in Europe. However, for the most part, the local culture and customs will be left intact; Marian citizens, regardless of their beliefs, faiths, and opinions, are all still Marian citizens with the same rights and privileges.

Special measures are being taken to protect the large furry population from harm.

In accordance with the new territories, we expend our remaining one territory point(the Neo Incan provinces total far more than 12), which is the lowest of our priorities(Congo and Spain come first):



Now with territories in the Americas, we are ready to ink non-aggression treaties with NADTA or its members. We wish to foster peaceful relations between our two nations for the greater good of us all.

 

[Mathalamus]

The President humbly accepts the honor of being the new leader of the former Neo-Inca Empire.

As of now, plans are drawn up to build a new constitution and divide the Neo Incan lands into new states with full representation in the federal government.

"I will take the Neo Incan people into my arms, much like a parent does to those they adopt. The Neo Incans are much my people as those in Europe." the President said.

Plans are already underway to standardise weights, measures, and procedures in the new territories to match those in Europe. However, for the most part, the local culture and customs will be left intact; Marian citizens, regardless of their beliefs, faiths, and opinions, are all still Marian citizens with the same rights and privileges.

Special measures are being taken to protect the large furry population from harm.

In accordance with the new territories, we expend our remaining one territory point(the Neo Incan provinces total far more than 12), which is the lowest of our priorities(Congo and Spain come first):



Now with territories in the Americas, we are ready to ink non-aggression treaties with NADTA or its members. We wish to foster peaceful relations between our two nations for the greater good of us all.

the Byzantine Emperor was completely shocked by this news.

and the Byzantine Emperor promptly asks if he can have some land.. like.. oh..Brazil?

 

[Tani Coyote]

and the Byzantine Emperor promptly asks if he can have some land.. like.. oh..Brazil?

That is not our decision; I imagine the powers of NADTA will obviously be against this.

We however, will be working to improve the Neo Incan lands, given that they are as much our people as the Europeans. No doctrines, policies, or ideas can change this.

 

[Mathalamus]

That is not our decision; I imagine the powers of NADTA will obviously be against this.

We however, will be working to improve the Neo Incan lands, given that they are as much our people as the Europeans. No doctrines, policies, or ideas can change this.

they would also be against your presence, so screw it, we are gonna colonize it. Byzantium declared the old treaty with the incans null and void. (apologies for old image)

Byzantine news
following the surrender of the incan empire to the Marian Federation, Byzantium saw the opportunity to expand. the Entire Constantinople Guard (500,000 people) and the Emperors Battle Group (Enterprise, 4 light carriers and 16 Destroyers) has provided transportation and will be home-ported at the largest coastal city located there.

to the Marian Federation: if you will allow us to Colonize Brazil, we will let you have everything else that isnt claimed. deal?

 

[Tani Coyote]

they would also be against your presence, so screw it, we are gonna colonize it. Byzantium declared the old treaty with the incans null and void. (apologies for old image)

While we will not defend the Monroe Doctrine, we would like to point out there is a key difference between the colonisation of Brazil and the absorption of the Neo Incas: the Neo Incas willingly turned their empire over to us - truly willingly, and not with imperialist gunboat diplomacy involved - and so we have a mandate to rule, provided we can maintain the support of the locals.

We nonetheless do hope NADTA is not too angry, and hope to peacefully resolve any disputes. Given that several NADTA members are more reasonable than others, we are optimistic.

 

[Tee Kay]

India oppose the inheritance of the Neo-Incan Empire by the Marian Federation, which in the process almost doubled the number of provinces under its control.

This act severely upsets the balance of international power.

India proposes the Neo-Incan Empire be immediately reconstituted as a self-governing, neutral state (OOC: NPC), and its independence and neutrality be respected by all countries.

 

[Tani Coyote]

India oppose the inheritance of the Neo-Incan Empire by the Marian Federation, which in the process almost doubled the number of provinces under its control.

This act severely upsets the balance of international power.

India proposes the Neo-Incan Empire be immediately reconstituted as a self-governing, neutral state (OOC: NPC), and its independence and neutrality be respected by all countries.

With all due respect, most of these provinces are not extremely powerful or wealthy, and most of our resources remain invested in Europe.

The Emperor chose to turn over his territories; to say he did not have that right would be imperialist by merit of being against self-determination.

We are working to integrate these people into our nation as fellow Marian citizens, and we are also working to promote cooperation and peace between the nations.

As a new neighbor to the American states, we have proposed non-aggression treaties, and we will be working to mend fences between ANTIEDO and NADTA, given the fact that we are no longer a European state; we are a multicontinental one.

 

[Weik]

The Baltic Empire claims Finnmark, Kainuu, Northern Savonia, Central Finland and Central Ostrobothnia.

 

[Tee Kay]

The Emperor chose to turn over his territories; to say he did not have that right would be imperialist by merit of being against self-determination.

That is what the Emperor determined.

We are working to integrate these people into our nation as fellow Marian citizens, and we are also working to promote cooperation and peace between the nations.

It is still upsetting for international stability for a nation to be inherited in this way.

 

[Tani Coyote]

That is what the Emperor determined.

And to make sure our claim is legitimate, we are integrating the people of the Neo Incan Empire into our democracy. Many of the people are familiar with the military lifestyle, and thus will make fine Marian soldiers - and voters by extension.

It is still upsetting for international stability for a nation to be inherited in this way.

Was ATTACK really that different? They partitioned themselves between multiple allied states, before being re-constituted.

ATTACK's contributions have also been granted independence.

Granted, ATTACK was in the same alliance. But even so, many nations have violated the balance of power by claiming entire continents and regions "off limits", in effect doubling their territory.

We are not even that large to several individual nations, and in terms of our entire alliance, the whole world still vastly outnumbers us. We have gained power, but we have by no means tilted the balance in our favor.

In the example of a hypothetical war in the Americas, the alliance would be as follows:

NADTA: NEA, NCSA, Pacifistan, Canada, ATTACK
ANTIEDO: Marian Federation, France, Macedon, Germany, Byzantium

Both alliances have five members and equally-powerful economies and likely militaries, and so they are perfectly matched.

 

[Mad Man]

Quick question, do the Balearic islands count as a single claim (there administered as a single region like Hawaii in RL) or two? anyway here's my claims this turn

 

[Tee Kay]

And to make sure our claim is legitimate, we are integrating the people of the Neo Incan Empire into our democracy. Many of the people are familiar with the military lifestyle, and thus will make fine Marian soldiers - and voters by extension.

We don't think much of Marian "democracy", to be honest. Still, we acknowledge your concern for the welfare of the Incans.

Was ATTACK really that different? They partitioned themselves between multiple allied states, before being re-constituted.

An international consensus was reached on that point. That is not the case here (currently, anyway).

Besides, the states which partitioned ATTACK did not own as many provinces as the Marian Federation do now, and did not inherited as many provinces each either.

Granted, ATTACK was in the same alliance. But even so, many nations have violated the balance of power by claiming entire continents and regions "off limits", in effect doubling their territory.

That and this is not the same thing. Nations which has claimed "sphere of influences" only did so for those unclaimed territories which are obviously of direct consequence for that country. Others used their sphere as a guarantee of independence, rather than for aggressive expansion.

 

[Tee Kay]

Quick question, do the Balearic islands count as a single claim (there administered as a single region like Hawaii in RL)

I'd like an answer to this also, for places like the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Maldives, and the Union Territory of Puducherry (this last consists of four separate city-states administered as one federal-level unit).

 

[Mathalamus]

I'd like an answer to this also, for places like the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Maldives, and the Union Territory of Puducherry (this last consists of four separate city-states administered as one federal-level unit).

yo. would you be fine if we took all of Brazil, more or less, moved the capital to Brasilia, moved enough industry and all the military to Brazil and immediately partition European Byzantium?

 

[Mad Man]

soooo in other words you'd like to trade your country? I can see why you would want to do that being all boxed in and all.

 

[Tani Coyote]

We don't think much of Marian "democracy", to be honest. Still, we acknowledge your concern for the welfare of the Incans.

The President has just chartered the Ministry of Harmony, which exists to standardise things of economic and legal importance across the Federation, while also working to preserve the many local cultures and ensure they mingle together to create a whole greater than the sum of its parts. A Neo-Incan hedgehog was appointed to the position, given the association's de facto purpose of being established to bring South America closer to Rome.

The President has also created the Bureau of Neo-Incan Affairs, which exists specifically to provide for the welfare of the Neo Incans. A Neo Incan Fox/Wolf mixed breed was appointed to this position.

The two positions have caused riots from anti-anthro groups around the nation; these riots are being dispersed as we speak. The President has caught much flak from these groups' supporters for supporting the rights of "outsiders" and "abominations" against the rights of "true citizens" and "superior beings."

While our welfare state is quite small relative to most nations, our public works budget - and overall budget - is being re-assessed in light of the great burden the Neo Incan provinces have imposed upon us economically.

We hope to develop them into fully functional provinces as the years pass by.

An international consensus was reached on that point. That is not the case here (currently, anyway).

As the nation willingly ceded itself to our guardianship - and its Emperor has threatened to fight us if we dare oppress his people - this should be a non-issue. We will, as has been said, look after the Neo Incans as if they were our own children, giving them the same benefits - and responsibilities - as other Marians.

Thankfully, due to the fact many Neo Incans owed labor to the state, it will be quite easy to integrate them into the hard labor regime we have established for the unemployed, homeless, and convicts.

That and this is not the same thing. Nations which has claimed "sphere of influences" only did so for those unclaimed territories which are obviously of direct consequence for that country. Others used their sphere as a guarantee of independence, rather than for aggressive expansion.

And similarly, we proclaim our sphere of influence over territory we already hold. And furthermore, we proclaim we will protect the Neo Incan people from the "liberating" forces of other powers to the last drop of blood, as they are as much our citizens as those in Italia and Iberia. We will protect our hundred million plus population as quickly as India would protect her one billion plus population.