is this racism?

[del62]

I remember back in the eighties when the West Indies beat England 5-0 in test matches at cricket, there was a press headline Blackwash.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I don't think it's that bad. They joke about his skin color in a positive way. It would be refreshing if someone had such a lax attitude towards skin color in stead of the "must not mention, must not mention" attitude.

This. It is of course good to as a society collective shun any public attempt to link the worth of a person to his or her race - meaning to somehow judge a person based on race.
However, I think to turn this into "Most not mention race unless when complaining about racism - must not mention, must not mention" is counter-productive. As that creates a false dichotomy. There is more to racism than fighting it or being a racist.

 

[Borachio]

apophenia

Thanks for enlarging my vocabulary. What a great word.

Yes, it is a good word. Finding shapes in cloud formations can be fun, though. Amusingly shaped vegetables and the like.

edit: hang on though, it more often refers to psychosis. Oh dear, that's a worry.

...........

Well, do Italians refer to black people as "neri" (meaning black?), or not?. If so, then it still seems racist to me. Not terribly violently so, but still racist.

This might seem to be over-reacting, but I just think black people have historically put up with so much, I can't see why they shouldn't be entitled to at least as much respect - automatically - as any one else.
Especially from the media, from which so many people take their standards of what is acceptable.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

This might seem to be over-reacting, but I just think black people have historically put up with so much, I can't see why they shouldn't be entitled to at least as much respect - automatically - as any one else.

What about those of us who believe that no one, but no one, is entitled to any measure of respect?

 

[Borachio]

I'd be willing to bet that you are not among their number.

Unless of course this is some deep radical thinking I haven't come across before. Interesting. How is it implemented?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

I'd be willing to bet that you are not among their number.

You lose that bet.

Unless of course this is some deep radical thinking I haven't come across before. Interesting. How is it implemented?

Simple. No one deserves respect just for existing, or for some quality that they inherently have. Respect is something to be earned, not something to be given.

 

[Ironsided]

I had a ginger cat, it died and I got a black and white one. It's not the same I'm gonna curb-stomp it tomorrow.

 

[Borachio]

No one deserves respect just for existing, or for some quality that they inherently have. Respect is something to be earned, not something to be given.

You know what? I think they do. Admiration must be earned. Respect is a right.

You can lose your right to respect though.

(This is just my own view. It counts for nothing in the scheme of things.)

 

[Quackers]

You lose that bet.



Simple. No one deserves respect just for existing, or for some quality that they inherently have. Respect is something to be earned, not something to be given.

Sounds like the end of civilisation to me.

 

[del62]

The image in the picture in the Italian Press has also caused some comment.

Race row over Ballotelli cartoon

Some interesting stuff about Balotelli from Radio Nertherlands

Scene 1: Euro 2012. Italy-Ireland. 90th minute. With a beautiful overhead kick, Balotelli scores the Azzurri’s second goal. And Italy's in the quarterfinals. But no smiling, cheering or embracing his team-mates. Super Mario is angry. He starts to point a finger at the Irish stands, wanting to shout something. Defender Leo Bonucci puts his hand on Balotelli's mouth to stop him.

Scene 2: Auschwitz. Two days before the start of Euro 2012. The Italian team pays a visit to the former concentration camp in the south of Poland. Everyone is struck by what he sees or hears. Balotelli, more than the rest, so say journalists who were there. He sits down, all by himself, on the train tracks and stares silently ahead. A while later, he tells his team-mates about a box of letters that his Jewish adoptive mother kept underneath her bed. He had never told anyone.

Slight;y suprised to hear he was being abused by Irish Fans

 

[del62]

You lose that bet.



Simple. No one deserves respect just for existing, or for some quality that they inherently have. Respect is something to be earned, not something to be given.

I prefer to respect all, unless they do something to lose my respect

 

[Formaldehyde]

Simple. No one deserves respect just for existing, or for some quality that they inherently have. Respect is something to be earned, not something to be given.

Don't you think blacks who face injustice, discrimination, and persecution on a regular basis deserve at least respect for not responding in kind?


Link to video.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Okay, to put him on the same level as an ape is horrible.

 

[del62]

Okay, to put him on the same level as an ape is horrible.

Totally agree

EDIT : The newspaper has apoligised

 

[Borachio]

Respect to Aretha Franklin.
I like the Nina Simone version of the following, but this one's the one I remember best.

Link to video.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Don't you think blacks who face injustice, discrimination, and persecution on a regular basis deserve at least respect for not responding in kind?

Before we get into a long and tedious argument, why don't you give me your definition of "deserve" being used here?

That said, the person, having committed a (lack of) action in the face of discrimination, would have earned a measure of respect from me by their actions.

 

[squadbroken]

is the connection to balotelli's skin colour (supposedly black) racist?

Probably.

 

[Borachio]

@Idiots
I find it really strange you seem to think people don't automatically deserve respect. And I use "deserve" in its everyday sense. As in, it is their right to have respect.

Do you think that it would be right for people to abuse you physically and verbally when you first meet them?

I'm willing to consider this - if this is what you mean. It is a very novel idea to me.

 

[Ironsided]

I love Mario Ballotelli because he is awesome.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Before we get into a long and tedious argument, why don't you give me your definition of "deserve" being used here?

That said, the person, having committed a (lack of) action in the face of discrimination, would have earned a measure of respect from me by their actions.

I think you just answered your own question.