Kanye West: The voice of our generation

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Who better to be the voice of a generation full of people who made Facebook and Twitter huge?

I ing hate my generation.

I don't see what's wrong with Facebook and Twitter. They're great tools to retain social connections that you usually couldn't 10 years ago. This generation will be fine, like all others before it.

 

[bhsup]

You're such a hick

(In my best Elvis voice..) Ah thank ya, thank ya very much!

 

[civ_king]

(In my best Elvis voice..) Ah thank ya, thank ya very much!

The Beach Boys were way better than Elvis

I wish people could find the musical talent of Nox Arcana much easier

 

[generalstaff]

I don't see what's wrong with Facebook and Twitter.

They are for egotistical people, Twitter especially.

They're great tools to retain social connections that you usually couldn't 10 years ago.

You mean "friending" a complete stranger? But seriously, if you cannot keep in contact with someone using phone and e-mail, you really do not want to be in contact with them.

This generation will be fine, like all others before it.

Maybe outside of the US. Here, stupid is not just tolerated, it is celebrated.

 

[Traitorfish]

They are for egotistical people, Twitter especially.

"Are for" or "are used by"? I don't think I'd be mistaken in observing that the average television set is pulsing with some exceptionally swollen egos, but that doesn't invalidate the medium.

But seriously, if you cannot keep in contact with someone using phone and e-mail, you really do not want to be in contact with them.

Y'know, they used to say the same thing about phones- that if you really wanted meaningful communication, you'd write them a letter.

How's your cursive script?

 

[generalstaff]

"Are for" or "are used by"? I don't think I'd be mistaken in observing that the average television set is pulsing with some exceptionally swollen egos, but that doesn't invalidate the medium.

There is little different when it comes to interactive technologies when it comes to "are for" and "are used by." Also, when it comes to my TV, I can choose to not view programming I do not like, just like when I use my computer, i choose not to use Facebook and Twitter. I should note that I cannot watch TV without Facebook and/or Twitter being mentioned.

Y'know, they used to say the same thing about phones- that if you really wanted meaningful communication, you'd write them a letter.

How's your cursive script?

I know people who still write letters. I did expand my definition to e-mail, which is technically new technology, I would also include things like Skype (not Chatroulette for obvious reasons).

 

[Mr. Dictator]

They are for egotistical people, Twitter especially.

You realize you're on a forum, which is for even more egotistical people, right?

Seriously though, what a grouch attitude to have. The new generation has their social networking toys, like the boomers had their rock and roll, and the the greek's had their brash and snotty kids.

And lets say you are alive with the premium of crappy generations. Why complain? You can't change that, so you might as well just find some way to go with it.

 

[Traitorfish]

There is little different when it comes to interactive technologies when it comes to "are for" and "are used by."

Sure there is. "Civfanatics is for fans of the Civilization series to discuss the games." "Civfanatics is used by wittering ninnies to argue at length about the definition of the word "socialism"". Both are true, but hardly equivalent.

Also, when it comes to my TV, I can choose to not view programming I do not like, just like when I use my computer, i choose not to use Facebook and Twitter. I should note that I cannot watch TV without Facebook and/or Twitter being mentioned.

Good for you. Nobody's forcing you.

I know people who still write letters. I did expand my definition to e-mail, which is technically new technology, I would also include things like Skype (not Chatroulette for obvious reasons).

But in each case, a departure from tradition is represented; the key is in finding an appropriate use for new tools- or, more precisely, creating tools with a new and useful use. If we're not doing that yet, it's because we're still adjusting.

 

[generalstaff]

Sure there is. "Civfanatics is for fans of the Civilization series to discuss the games." "Civfanatics is used by wittering ninnies to argue at length about the definition of the word "socialism"". Both are true, but hardly synonymous.

There was argument over "socialism" as part of modding Civilization. My point: they can be synonymous in some cases.

Good for you. Nobody's forcing you.

But in each case, a departure from tradition is represented; the key is in finding an appropriate use for new tools- or, more precisely, creating tools with a new and useful use. If we're not doing that yet, it's because we're still adjusting.

I do not want to be put into a position where I am forced. It is pretty much expected that every American has access to a phone, radio, television, and computer with internet access. I know it is not law, but it is difficult to function in society without those items.

 

[Traitorfish]

There was argument over "socialism" as part of modding Civilization. My point: they can be synonymous in some cases.

"Can be in some cases"? That's a few steps back from your original, bolder claim.

I do not want to be put into a position where I am forced. It is pretty much expected that every American has access to a phone, radio, television, and computer with internet access. I know it is not law, but it is difficult to function in society without those items.

True, but that's a complaint on the material demands of modern Western society, not the ubiquity of Twitter.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

True, twitter is not really the problem as much as a symptom of a larger problem, if at all.

There's a derogatory term that i refer to "twitterers" as, but i don't think the autocensor would like the second word. With some thought, i'm sure the adults here could infer what i mean

 

[generalstaff]

True, but that's a complaint on the material demands of modern Western society, not the ubiquity of Twitter.

True, twitter is not really the problem as much as a symptom of a larger problem, if at all.

I did say a problem was that "stupid is not just tolerated, its celebrated," so it likely that Twitter is a symptom of that. If there were not so many stupid people, I would not have to hear about Twitter when I watch cable news (which I have stopped doing for a while, Twitter being the last straw). Well, if Twitter is symptom in this example, is surely exacerbates to disease, being stupidity. So I guess this brings us full circle back to the OP...

 

[Traitorfish]

True, twitter is not really the problem as much as a symptom of a larger problem, if at all.

I'm not even sure Twitter is a symptom; self-indulgent usage, perhaps, but not the tool itself. One may as well say that automobiles are a symptom of contemporary laziness.

And that's from someone who uses neither Twitter nor Facebook, by the way. Just because they're not for me doesn't mean that they're not for somebody.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Well I see twitter as related to soundbites in politics. A symptom of a shortening attention span. Sometime those soundbites can be good, such as when they're full of gaffs or wit, but mostly they're more bad than good.

Much the same, twitter can be a great thing, but its also a little...empty, to me.

 

[GoodGame]

Basically some agent concocted this for publicity.


I'd rather listen to Swift than West. In fact, I'd rather be stuck in an elevator with Swift then West, but who cares what I think. /close thread.


I'd say this is an example of non-traditional, aggressive, guerilla marketing. Why actually record music, act, perform, etc... when you can be famous (an indirectly market the body of your work) for appearing in the media as a rich and stupid person?

 

[Vordeo]

The thing about Kanye is that he comes off as genuine, which is just really rare amongst major celebrities nowadays. He's self-centred, petty, arrogant, and a total prick, but he's honest, which means something. He isn't quite the voice of the generation, but he comes close, which really isn't as bad a thing as some people have made out.

It also helps that he's one of the best musicians around at the moment (possibly the most vital mainstream musician of the past decade, actually).

Also, for the record, he was right about Beyonce's video being better (which was really proven when she won the big award at the end of the night), but he was wrong about 'Touch the Sky' being better than 'We are Your Friends', so it all balances out.

 

[Mise]

Yes, but does he like fish sticks?????

 

[gangleri2001]

Who the hell is Kanye West?

 

[bhsup]

It also helps that he's one of the best musicians around at the moment (possibly the most vital mainstream musician of the past decade, actually).

Who the hell is Kanye West?

Yeah. See, even if I didn't listen to him, I think I would at least be aware of the existence of the most vital musician of the past decade before hearing about him on CFC OT threads.

 

[Holycannoli]

Not the point. I'm not going to play that game. The point is that the president of the USA seems to value the opinion of some loud-mouth arrogant nobody important enough to consider it one of the lowest moments. Kanye West for Cripe's sake.

Who cares?!

Ok gotcha, I misinterpreted what you said. I was expecting something like "of all the lousy things he's done he considers this his lowest moment". That's not what you meant, and I'm glad.

Yeah why should he care what this idiot says about him? Why should anyone care, if not to find entertainment in his antics in that sick way we do when watching an accident?