Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation.

[Mouthwash]

A few years ago the doctoral dissertation of Kent Hovind was leaked on the internet. Hovind is a creation evangelist and convicted tax fraudster with a degree from the clearly legitimate 'Patriot Bible University.' My favorite parts are where he argues that Origen, St. Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas were in fact early evolutionists.

This is an important paper. This is how they think. This is what they want kids to learn side-by-side with science.

 

[Agent327]

I've notice 'evolutionist' being used by people who seem to think evolution is an ism.

 

[Bugfatty300]

To Hovind's followers, its really just a term that means atheist/anti-Christian. They've long since given up on trying to understand what evolution actually is. Too complicated I guess.

 

[filli_noctus]

There is a nice symmetry in the degree of a convicted fraudster itself being fraudulent.

 

[Antilogic]

... I picked the wrong field. Seriously, if I could get a doctorate for that, man, that's the stuff.

 

[classical_hero]

Well he isn't considered a serious scientist by those in the creation movement who actually have doctorates are secular universities.

 

[peter grimes]

Who *is* considered a serious scientist in those cliques?

 

[classical_hero]

http://creation.com/about-us#who_we_are Well not everyone there deals with scientific parts of the organisation, so many don't have degrees in science, but there are plenty that do work there and that is not including those who can write articles for the site. My interest in this issue is more from a theological standpoint that just the science behind both ideas.

 

[Berzerker]

I dont have a problem with creation and evolution, "God" used existing material and evolution is just how life operates within those constraints

how'd the authors of Genesis know mankind was in one place west of the Persian Gulf before we "filled" the Earth?

 

[emzie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Bible_University

This is just fantastic.

http://creation.com/about-us#who_we_are Well not everyone there deals with scientific parts of the organisation, so many don't have degrees in science, but there are plenty that do work there and that is not including those who can write articles for the site. My interest in this issue is more from a theological standpoint that just the science behind both ideas.

Steve.

 

[El_Machinae]

how'd the authors of Genesis know mankind was in one place west of the Persian Gulf before we "filled" the Earth?

They didn't. And I think that saying that Eastern Africa is 'west of the Persian Gulf, success!!!' is a bit of a biased interpretation. By that understanding, so is Europe and the Americas. Asia, if you're really willing to mix up your directions.

 

[Formaldehyde]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Bible_University

This is just fantastic.

I love how they use the word "patriot" in this context.

 

[Ghpstage]

Just skimmed through and....

Spoiler :

Another man that is very important is Erasmus Darwin, the grandfather of Charles Darwin. He as born in 1731 and died in 1802. He was an extremely fat person. In fact, he was so fat they had to cut a curve in the dining room table just so he could get up to the table. He was a medical doctor. He was also very immoral....

Wow, just wow.
Not only is there enough straw in there to ignite a city it even fails basic report writing, it looks like an underachieving school kid wrote it .

If it wasn't a hundred pages long I may have read it, purely for the comedy value.



EDIT
Thanks for that link Contre!

From that wiki article,

"the pages are not numbered; there is no title; of sixteen or so chapters in the index only the first four are finished; misspellings are rampant ("Immerged" for emerged, "epic" for epoch, and "tentable" for testable are three examples); and the single illustration was apparently cut out of a science book with scissors and fastened to the thesis with glue or tape."

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Steve

 

[Berzerker]

They didn't. And I think that saying that Eastern Africa is 'west of the Persian Gulf, success!!!' is a bit of a biased interpretation. By that understanding, so is Europe and the Americas. Asia, if you're really willing to mix up your directions.

Of course they did, its right there in Genesis - and God took the man he made to the Garden he planted eastward in Eden.

and Genesis also says mankind was together and told to disperse and fill the world

thats the "Out of Africa" theory and it preceded Adam and Eve in the Garden

 

[Bugfatty300]

thats the "Out of Africa" theory

Not its not.

 

[Berzerker]

mankind was in E Africa and spread out from there according to the theory

according to Genesis mankind was ~west of Eden and spread out from there

The Bible records something that happened tens of thousands of years ago

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's true. It got that flip of the coin right.

 

[Berzerker]

knowing what people were doing ~50-100 kya - and where - is hardly the flip of a coin

did we figure that out by flipping coins?

how many sides does that coin have and who decided an "out of Africa"scenario got to be one of them?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You have east of Eden and west of Eden.