Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Thread

[Edmund Ironside]

Ashanti - 22
Burma - 4 (7-3) I have nothing against them, but haven't really heard any arguments for why they should be included and what could make them interesting.
Hebrews - 6 (5+1) I can't really add much more than what has already been stated for them. They are a prime candidate for a defensive civ with a focus on religious victories due to their significant religious legacy. I would love to play as them, but that is just a personal preference.
Navajo - 22
Swahili - 5
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[SagarRathore]

Ashanti - 22
Burma - 5 (4+1) just being good neighbour.I think Pagan empire would be a good addition or a modern civ based on Theravada Buddhism is also required.
Hebrews - 6
Navajo - 22
Swahili - 2 (5-3) For me there r better African options including Ashanti.
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashanti - 22
Burma - 5
Hebrews - 7 (6 + 1) Aside from getting a Judaism-preferring civ in the game for the first time ever (the other option would be Khazaria for that, the religious legacy of the Hebrews is long, they have a fascinating diplomatic role they can provide in gameplay as well if they go with Hezekiah’s revolt, and we don’t generally have too many Near East civs. Furthermore, religious victory in Civ VI calls out for the Hebrews. I don’t imagine they’ll make it to top three in this one, but they should at least last slightly longer.
Navajo - 22
Swahili - Eliminated (2 - 3) (Not a unified empire, and was a collection of city-states, unlike the unified kingdom of Judah comprising some 50 cities in the time of Hezekiah. We can do better for African representation, and we already have Muslim African states in Civ like Morocco and Mali/Songhai.)
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[Naktis]

Ashanti - 19 (22-3) there are other better options for africa like alt egypt leader, madagascar,ethipia ,morrocco and prob few more plus next expanssion is the last one for sure , so room is getting smaller.
Burma - 5
Hebrews - 8 (7+1) Like others mentioned we need judaism representing civ, and I also think that A LOT of poeple would play this civ. But to add them there would be a lot of hate too from specific party.
Navajo - 22
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Ashanti - 19
Burma - 5-3=2 As stated before I prefer Vietnam that would bring something different and we don't need many more from East Asia/Southeast Asia as much as Africa and the Americas.
Hebrews - 8
Navajo - 22+1=23 Other than the Iroquois this would be the ideal tribe for the U.S. Desert farming, code talker UU etc. would be nice things added to the game.
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[AmazonQueen]

Ashanti - 19
Burma - 2-3=0. Eliminated. I think Vietnam would be a better addition than Burma.
Hebrews - 8
Navajo - 23 +1=24. Given their long history of resistance to the Spanish, Mexicans and US, their preservation of much of their culture, and the success of the Navajo Nation I think they would be the ideal addition to North American civs.
Tibet - 24
Vietnam - 20

 

[fredrikslicer]

Ashanti - 19 - 3 = 16 Had it been Oyo we I would have considered them in the top 3
Hebrews - 8
Navajo - 23
Tibet - 24 +1 = 25 See previously an interesting story from a region most people just associate with the independance movement
Vietnam - 20

 

[Leucarum]

Ashanti - 17 = 16 + 1 - From what I've read here there's potential for a diplomatic/cultural angle which is a play style I enjoy. As opposed to...
Hebrews - 5 = 8 - 3 - People seem to be suggesting a religious/defensive civ here. Honestly, Tamar already has this covered, and even then she isn't particularly popular. What other mechanics are people thinking here?
Navajo - 23
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[AmazonQueen]

Looks like the +1 I gave to Navajo has been missed.

Correct scores should be:
Ashanti - 17
Hebrews - 5
Navajo - 24
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[Cave Johnson]

Ashanti - 17
Hebrews - 2 (5-3) Let's see, who deals the coup de grâce. Admittedly I do not think they are unworthy in and of itself, but the other options are definitely more interesting to me.
Navajo - 25 (24+1) One of the Native American groups most deserving of a slot. Rich history and not exactly small.
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ashanti - 17
Hebrews - 5+1=6 People have been asking for them since Civ3. Wouldn’t be difficult to do properly. They’re a glaring omission at this point.
Navajo - 24-3=21 Downvoting is a real challenge at this point. They’re worthy, but are they really our #2?
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

Edit: Looks like we crossposted.

Hebrews should be at 3 and Navajo at 22.

 

[Xandinho]

Correcting the score:

Ashanti - 17
Hebrews - 3
Navajo - 22
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[TeddyMain]

Ashanti - 17
Hebrews - 0 (3-3) Eliminated. Voting is down to the wire now. The thought of a Jewish state in this game was really appealing, but not as much as the other options on this list.
Navajo - 23 (22+1) Their history of resistance to expanding empires and their rich culture, as well as filling in a large void in the map, make this civ a great candidate for the top 3, if not the #1 civ of the remaining 5.
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Man, the field has really changed now. I'm definitely a bit sad that the Tlingit didn't make it farther but I am glad that more people know about them. I'll definitely keep hoping for them in the future.

the Tlingit icon is by @clapyourhands

@EdmundIronside Thanks dude, its definitely appreciated. Glad I could tell you a bit about them!

@Itsjustanick I'd definitely recommend looking at my upvotes on the previous pages if you'd like to find out why the Tlingit are very interesting and unique. There's far more to them than 'they encountered the Russians.' A brief summary is that they they had visibly and characteristically unique leaders, wooden armored warriors armed with short swords, large ocean-traveling canoes, raids or trades along most of the west coast of NA, and the most distinctive native architecture and art style north of Mesoamerica. If you just don't like them or prefer other civs more that's fine but I definitely wouldn't call the Tlingit boring.

I'd also like to mention that its a bit of a shame to see Burma and Madagascar are out. Burma could be a powerhouse centered around conquering civs that follow the same religion as them and, while they didn't interact much with outsiders, its something that Madagascar was fairly good at. You could make an interesting design of them being isolationists that can refuse or stop foreign trade routes. Anyway, lets see where this game goes.


Ashanti - 14 (17 - 3) I definitely don't dislike this civ at all and I'd actually be really happy if they appeared. All of these choices are interesting and I personally find their close neighbors Benin and Dahomey to be a bit more interesting (not that I'd want that to stop all 3 from appearing). Perhaps I'll change my mind and starting upvoting them if I hear some more pluses about them or how the others are less exciting.
Navajo - 24 (23 + 1) I would unsurprisingly prefer the Tlingit over them since I find the Tlingit to be more advanced, unique, and interesting. However, the Navajo are still 1 of my top 3 native NA civs (my top 3 are the Iroquois, Tlingit, and Navajo unless we find out if the Hopi or Acoma approve of appearing) with plenty of potential as a fun civ. They can be powerful raiders with a focus on being able to build farms in deserts, natural wonders, etc! Narbona and Manuelito would be cool leaders and their hogans and capital would be neat to see.
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 20

 

[fredrikslicer]

Ashanti - 8 (11 - 3) Not all that interesting better candidates exist like Oyo or Sokoto
Navajo - 24
Tibet - 26 = (25+1) Again a very fascinating history
Vietnam - 20

 

[Xandinho]

@fredrikslicer, you can only vote once every 24 hours. Also, Itsjustanick's vote in Vietnam was skipped. Correcting the score and giving my votes.

Ashanti - 12 (11+1) Probably the next to fall, but I can not back down in supporting more African representation in the game.
Navajo - 21 (24-3) It would be interesting, andi it is probably my favorite for the next North American native alongside Iroquois. But it is not in my Top 3 of civilizations never before seen. It is a hard choice.
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 21

 

[Amrunril]

It is because in these games the negative opinions have triple of force of positive opinions. Colombia is also quite popular and fell fast.

Survival of the blandest? Being innocuous probably helps in this game until the last stages. Modern civs are probably also at a disadvantage since a lot of people find them a incongruous.

I wonder if it would be possible to do these threads in such a way that upvotes and downvotes were of equal value, but scores automatically ticked down over time. If calibrated right, such a system could be equally capable of forcing eliminations as the thread progresses without being weighted so heavily against options that attract strong feelings in both directions

Ashanti - 13 (12 + 1) I'm not as familiar with African options as American ones, but I know its a region with massive and underappreciated cultural diversity that could support many more civs.
Navajo - 21
Tibet - 25
Vietnam - 18 (21 - 3) No bad options at this point, but I don't think Southeast Asia needs more civs as strongly as the Americas or Africa do, and I can envision a clearer mechanical focus for Tibet.

 

[Terminacarnival]

Ashanti - 14 (13 + 1) While it was my least favorite of the African picks, I do feel they would still add to a criminally neglected continent.
Navajo - 21
Tibet - 22 (25 - 3) I have no qualms with them, but I honestly think all 4 left are rich enough to deserve more equal footing. I personally am not the biggest fan of religion focused civs, so they also are a weaker link for my shallow preferences.
Vietnam - 18

 

[Edmund Ironside]

I wonder if it would be possible to do these threads in such a way that upvotes and downvotes were of equal value, but scores automatically ticked down over time.

Perhaps all civs could lose 1 point every 24 hours?

Ashanti - 11 (14-3) I agree that they are in an area of the world underrepresented in Civilization. However I personally would favor the kingdom of Benin over the Ashanti kingdom. It was much longer lasting and had more interesting art (and realistically its unlikely we would get both).
Navajo - 21
Tibet - 22
Vietnam - 19 (18+1) I think the Trung sisters could make a very unique and interesting leader for Vietnam.

 

[fredrikslicer]

Ashanti - 8 = (11-3) Dont find them the most intreresting
Navajo - 21
Tibet - 23 = (22+1) Out of all these I like these ones the best
Vietnam - 19