Norman - Exploration Age Civilization Discussion

Except there is a second Legion helmet there in Iron Working (in addition to the one in Bronzeworking Mastery)

Maybe that will get covered in the stream.. how those different upgrade path /bonuses work.
Hmm, good point. Lots of identical helmets about! In fact, it looks like Iron Age might not have a mastery? The mystery thickens...
That particular image was taken from a build they were showing off in a livestream, and they said during that stream that there was a bug that made the Masteries show the exact same contents as the base techs, so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.
 
Looks like there's some Songhai unique buildings there... damn shame the video quality is so poor.

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edit: Oops, I forgot that we already know that Songhai has a UI rather than UB's. I think the most distant of the three is the Pavilion, and the one in the center is probably the Bank. But I don't recognize the closest one.
 
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Building a Motte and Bailey inside an already walled city makes my head hurt! :eek:
Concentric rings of walls were pretty much the norm. In a typical setup there were three: the outer city walls, the castle proper, and then the inner keep (or donjon).
 
Concentric rings of walls were pretty much the norm. In a typical setup there were three: the outer city walls, the castle proper, and then the inner keep (or donjon).

Yes, that's true. What I should have said made my head hurt was seeing the Motte and Bailey inside of an already walled city where the stone outer walls tower over the walls of the Motte and Bailey itself.
 
Yes, that's true. What I should have said made my head hurt was seeing the Motte and Bailey inside of an already walled city where the stone outer walls tower over the walls of the Motte and Bailey itself.
To be fair, given that you can only build out one urban tile at a time, this Motte and Bailey likely used to be outside the city before the population grew and the urban area expanded around it.
 
Yes, that's true. What I should have said made my head hurt was seeing the Motte and Bailey inside of an already walled city where the stone outer walls tower over the walls of the Motte and Bailey itself.
On the other hand, the White Tower, the original part of the Tower of London, is one of the largest donjon structures in Europe, and has two other sets of walls around it, and the only reason it doesn't have a motte under it is that it was built on Tower Hill and so already overlooked the city of London of the time.

The Motte and Baileys were originally built very quickly with stone or stone and timber Baileys, wooden sockade walls around it and all in a thrown-up Motte hill to dominate the Saxon population (or the Sicilian population down south) under the Normans and so were frequently built in the Saxon towns, later being expanded and rebuilt all in stone as 'castles' with the original Bailey becoming a donjon or Keep within the castle walls and all within the city walls.
 
To be fair, given that you can only build out one urban tile at a time, this Motte and Bailey likely used to be outside the city before the population grew and the urban area expanded around it.
The outer city walls are indeed pretty monstrous. I think it's a missed opportunity that the different technological stages of the walls have almost exactly the same dimensions, to the point where it's rather difficult to tell them apart. It would have helped both with visual recognition and historical immersion if they had made the Ancient walls lower and thinner than the Medieval walls.
 
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