NOTW XLIV: The Root of All Evil GAME THREAD

[BSmith1068]

I'm beginning to think it is always a good idea to vote for Verarde.

Who killed me N1? Was it a random choice, or did it go deeper?

 

[Zack]

My Role PM:

Name: Ashen Summoner
Allegiance: Sheaim-- You win if the Dragon's Hoard is in Sheaim hands at the end of the game.
Personal Goal: Kill at least two people during the attack on Kaluge
Strength: 2
Abilities: The Ashen Veil You are a member of the Ashen Veil, a Sheaim cult that has found a place on the expedition to take Kaluge. Your teammates are Bonefang and Verarde. At night, one member of the cult can attempt to kill a member of the expedition.

I'm curious what the hell DaveShack's character was...

 

[Zack]

I'm beginning to think it is always a good idea to vote for Verarde.

Who killed me N1? Was it a random choice, or did it go deeper?

Verarde performed all Sheiam kills; I assume the wolf kills were Bad Player. As far as I know, it was random; Verarde chose to kill you, not I (as you can see in the QT).

 

[Takhisis]

But you weren't the mafia. There aren't any mafia in this game. ANY mafia. So it's not the best mafia performance ever, Zack.

 

[Kennigit]

Can we agree for namesake to let wolves/cultists/whatever be allowed to be called "mafia" by posts in the thread so we don't get a confusion like we did in this game?

Or if we want to be accurate, write things like "pro-grigori" and sheaim and doviello. Because I really don't see much of anyone talking about archy or grigori or sheaim or doviello in the thread and statements like "there are no mafia" certainly threw off some people (me).

 

[Bad Player]

Name: Baron Duin Halfmorn
Allegiance: Doviello-- You win by surviving with the Dragon's Hoard in your possession at the end of the game OR by having the strength of your team overpower all of the remaining Grigori.
Personal Goal: Convert at least two humans to werewolves.
Strength: 5
Abilities: Werewolf Werewolves only transform at night. If you are lynched, your alignment will read as Grigori, not as Doviello.
You can survive one lynch OR one attack. Whichever happens first is the one you survive.
You may attempt to kill one player per night. There is a chance that you may kill them, but this is not guaranteed. If they survive, there is a chance they might become a werewolf and join your team.

I tried killing sirtommygun night 1 and couldn't for reasons unknown. I figured that he was protected from being killed for one of these reasons: 1) he was mafia with a one time protection like me or 2) someone else was protecting him or 3) he was innocent but had protection.

3) unusual to have self protection
2) he's not a big name like ATPG etc so I didn't think someone would protect him
1) best option I thought
I wanted credibility by lynching a mafia. Dunno why my kill failed.

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I felt a bandwagon starting on me which is why I role claimed as a scanner. I probably panicked early.

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I thought there were 2 mafia and 22 innocents so I thought lots of people would die when attacking the dragon so maybe I just had to get past that and I would survive.

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ATPG revealed to me the existence of 3 doctors. He implied he was one of them and Seon role claimed. I knew they were my main targets. I did a last minute bandwagon on Seon as I thought the day was over but it was a 48 hour day and 24 hour night. Fortunately the bandwagon persisted and Seon was lynched. ATPG was coordinating innocents so I wanted him dead - after speaking with Seon and ATPG it was implied that ATPG would protect me and Seon would die before night and the last doctor was unknown to ATPG (I think) so I thought ATPG would be vulnerable. So I killed him. I got lucky on Seon - I was planning a night kill on him but someone accused him.

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Before I died I wanted choxorn dead for constantly accusing me. My final kill opportunity failed for some reason.

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I never converted anyone - I don't know what my % chance of conversion was??

 

[choxorn]

I wanted credibility by lynching a mafia. Dunno why my kill failed.

Your role PM explicitly states that your kills can fail.

So, I had this:

Name: Grigori Dragon Slayer
Allegiance: Grigori-- You win if the Dragon's Hoard is in Grigori hands at the end of the game
Personal Goal: Slay Acheron the Red Dragon during the siege of Kaluge
Strength: 3
Abilities The Chosen One You are one of the most capable fighters on the journey. Every night before the siege of Kaluge, you may choose one player to target. I will then tell you truthfully if this player is allied with Acheron the Red Dragon or not.

So, my scan could only find DaveShack. I guess it's just bad luck that I scanned both Verarde and Bad Player on nights 1 and 2 and found neither allied with Acheron. I later assumed that Bad Player had a team and Acheron's allies was another team, and upon reasoning that Verarde wasn't allied with Bad Player and assuming Bad Player was on the non-Acheron team, I figured Verarde was innocent and told him everything I knew.

I also scanned Autolycus and sirtommygunn on Nights 3 and 4- stg died.

Zack, just so you'll know, I had you figured as a mafia for days, but I was too dead to voice my suspicions.

 

[Verarde]

Excellent game all. Behind the scenes, a lot of it was Zack directing me who to kill (after I gave my opinion at times), but we worked quite well together. I echo his sentiments for BMP 2012.

 

[Verarde]

My role:

Name: Ashen Cultist
Allegiance: Sheaim-- You win if the Dragon's Hoard is in Sheaim hands at the end of the game.
Personal Goal: Kill Acheron the Red Dragon
Strength: 3
Abilities: The Ashen Veil You are a member of the Ashen Veil, a Sheaim cult that has found a place on the expedition to take Kaluge. Your teammates are Bonefang and Zack. At night, one member of the cult can attempt to kill a member of the expedition.

Then he changed my PG:

Your new Personal Goal is to attack Baron Duin Halfmorn at some point during the game.

Obviously failed, but that didn't really matter.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Role PM time!

Name: Grigori Beastmaster
Allegiance: Grigori-- You win if the Dragon's Hoard is in Grigori hands at the end of the game
Personal Goal: Prevent a kill with your ability
Strength: 2
Abilities: The Feral[i/] You have a way with animals, and you have many beasts under your control. At night, you may choose a player to target. This acts as a roleblock; any abilities the players has are not effective for one night. You may only use this ability twice.

I roleblocked CELTICEMPIRE night one (or two, I can't remember) and then I died before my other use. PG failed for obvious reasons.

 

[DaveShack]

Here's my role PM. Wasn't sure how I was supposed to gain possession of the hoard.
The limit of 5 posts would have been a serious impediment to some people, but I just chuckled when I saw it.

Name: Acheron the Red Dragon
Allegiance: Kaluge-- You win by surviving with the Dragon's Hoard in your possession at the end of the game.
Personal Goal: You have no personal goal. The Red Dragon is only concerned with safeguarding his Hoard.
Strength: 1
Abilities: The Red Dragon-- You are the spirit of Acheron, the Red Dragon. You have taken a place in the Grigori expedition in human form.
In this form, you are weak. You may post no more than five times every phase.
If you are killed before the expedition reaches Kaluge, you will take over the body of another player when the Champions reach Kaluge. If you are killed after the attack on Kaluge, you will die permanently.

 

[Mergle]

hey ho. Vanilla champion, me.

Didn't think there'd be 3 sheiam after we found 2 other non-grigori. Rather threw me off.

 

[Bad Player]

I think my mafia "team" was a fair bit weaker than the Sheiam team...

Also I didn't read my PM carefully enough - I assumed people were protected if my kills failed!

 

[landlubber]

Wasn't sure how I was supposed to gain possession of the hoard.

You were basically a "Survivor" role-- if you would have survived until the end, I would have given you at least partial victory, even if you were never voted the Hoard or anything like that.

 

[Bad Player]

TBH, I'm shocked no one picked up on how my partner voted the exact same way I did practically every phase.

And I really need to stop posting so much when I'm mafia.

Perhaps people get more excited when they are mafia (or other interesting roles) and so post more? The stats on that would be interesting...

Verade did a lot of bandwagoning whereas you did not (interestingly only 2 votes out of all mafia, including myself, were 3rd on the bandwagon - probably because nowdays all moderately advanced players know that it is seen as scumtell). From my notes, only in the last 3 days did you vote the same way. (I'm trying to use statistics to get an idea on mafia players but still thinking of ways to do it)

 

[Autolycus]

Bad Player's role not being immediately revealed tripped me up. It made me assume we were dealing with two teams of two, rather than a three and a one. I did suspect both remaining Sheaim at one point or another, especially Zack, but the day I did my analysis, there was a small enough amount of data that I wanted to try for someone who could be either one.

 

[Bad Player]

I'd love to hear more from people, in particular ATPG - why were you sure that sirtommygun was innocent?

landlubber are you going to post all character roles? And are you going to explain what happened with the dragon - could anyone have died fighting it?



Do other players think the game goes too fast when you have 2+ people dying per night (admittedly there were WOGs due to lack of reserves too)?

 

[landlubber]

landlubber are you going to post all character roles? And are you going to explain what happened with the dragon - could anyone have died fighting it?

I will, today probably. Not right now, though. I don't have enough time to write proper commentary for the PMs or anything.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd love to hear more from people, in particular ATPG - why were you sure that sirtommygun was innocent?

I wasn't. I just hate when the town blindly follows a claimed investigator.

And this time, I was right. It's dangerous to just go duhhhhh ok, whatever you say mister investigator.

And when you claimed, you opened up a can of death directly on your head, because there was going to be someone in the game who wanted you dead after that. It came at too high a price, I shouldn't have told you a darned thing, but your death was the penalty for that move.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Do other players think the game goes too fast when you have 2+ people dying per night (admittedly there were WOGs due to lack of reserves too)?

It's worse when there ISN'T enough nightkills. Don't get me wrong, I loved Simpsons Mafia to death. But it really could have used with some more nightkills.

I wasn't. I just hate when the town blindly follows a claimed investigator.

And this time, I was right. It's dangerous to just go duhhhhh ok, whatever you say mister investigator.

And when you claimed, you opened up a can of death directly on your head, because there was going to be someone in the game who wanted you dead after that. It came at too high a price, I shouldn't have told you a darned thing, but your death was the penalty for that move.

I was very suspicious too. That's the sole reason that I outed him. If I had gone blindly along and said "Mr. Investigator told me that CELTIC was Scum" instead of actually saying it was BP, then things would have gone a lot worse. I probably would have gotten killed at night by BP and then where would we be?