Plan for Mosque III...

[Ajidica]

Its about whether popular (barely a majority activly oppose) opinion can overturn the first ammendment guaranteeing freedom of religion.
Thats basicaly it.

 

[civver_764]

Which means that Al-Qaeda are a better alternative than America, right?

Al-Qaeda aren't a world superpower, if they were I'd be terrified.

I'm so glad we finally got to the bottom of this - because we knew all along what this mosque is really about, and you should all know that you don't fool us.

Yeah the mosque is actually a place where godless atheist islamic totalitarian communists like myself can proclaim how awesome Al-Qaeda is.

 

[CaptainF]

Actually we went in there so Cheney and friends could make their oil buddies happy. I've never liked Saddam(although my government certainly used to) but we've only made things worse.

And I think it's pretty hard to deny that America has done more damage to the world than Al-Qaeda could ever dream of doing.

BTW you'd be a lot more convincing as an objectivist if you weren't blatantly racist.

Yeah, Ayn Rand hates teh brownz...and just about everything else really.

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Threads like these prove that ignorance really isn´t bliss after all. Right-wingers are such an angry lot.

 

[Ajidica]

Which means that Al-Qaeda are a better alternative than America, right?

No, quit making stuff up. You have gotten alot more neo-con since our first debate in the Misconceptions about Communism thread, or even the Questions about Libertariansim.

I'm so glad we finally got to the bottom of this - because we knew all along what this mosque is really about, and you should all know that you don't fool us.

That the community center open to the public, with a mosque to be added at a later date, and when the builders specificaly include outreach, interfaith tolerance, understand, and coexstance is secretly evil? Your logic is making my head hurt.

Actually, yes, please explain why the blood of the innocents in Iraq is to blame on anyone else but Saddam Hussein.

Did Saddam kill them? Nope. I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'm willing to bet that the numbers Saddam killed each year is lower than what it is now.

Because in my humble opinion, he and he alone really deserves the blame for every bit of it for the choices he made where his nation was concerned.

Okay, but how is he responsible for actions he did not do?
If we are going to invade a country because they were killing civilians, why not Sudan?

ignorance really isn´t bliss after all.

Ignorance is strength

 

[CaptainF]

Actually, yes, please explain why the blood of the innocents in Iraq is to blame on anyone else but Saddam Hussein.

Because in my humble opinion, he and he alone really deserves the blame for every bit of it for the choices he made where his nation was concerned.

Lol, yes, Saddam invaded Iraq with American forces.

Now I´m waiting for people to claim that there are still WMDs buried somewhere in Iraq. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE HARDER!

 

[Mise]

Regime change! Change we can regime in.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Actually, Ayn Rand was quite racist and Islamophobic.


Link to video.

 

[civver_764]

Did Saddam kill them? Nope. I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'm willing to bet that the numbers Saddam killed each year is lower than what it is now.

It is. Not that MobBoss will ever admit it.

Yeah, Ayn Rand hates teh brownz...and just about everything else really.

Including black people:

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Easy to get into, impossible to get out of. We tried for over a century to civilise that part of the World, it's best now that we just leave them to slowly learn from their own mistakes.

 

[useless]

Actually, yes, please explain why the blood of the innocents in Iraq is to blame on anyone else but Saddam Hussein.

Because in my humble opinion, he and he alone really deserves the blame for every bit of it for the choices he made where his nation was concerned.

For you see, the WMD's did exist! Nobody died in vain!

 

[useless]

Didn't she have a "thing" for a murderer, or something?

 

[Ayn Rand]

So I think I provided a rational argument why this mosque is offensive.

It's being built by someone who thinks America is worse than Al-Qaeda, within 2 blocks of the World Trade Centre terrorist attack. And many [not all, of course] of the people supporting it are ethically inconsistent anti-Americans who are ideologically committed to ending democracy.

 

[MobBoss]

Did Saddam kill them? Nope.

Actually, yes, thats why he was hung if you dont remember. He was convicted of directly ordering the deaths of civilians by gassing them.

I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'm willing to bet that the numbers Saddam killed each year is lower than what it is now.

And I think you would be greatly mistaken on that...especially if you consider the Iran/Iraq war, which Saddam was directly responsible for starting.

Okay, but how is he responsible for actions he did not do?

By his dictatorship of Iraq he set the stage for these events to occur. Thats called responsibility.

If we are going to invade a country because they were killing civilians, why not Sudan?

I thought you were against the USA being the policeforce of the world?

Lol, yes, Saddam invaded Iraq with American forces.

Your amazingly simplistic viewpoint really isnt sufficient to give context to the issue. Saddam didnt have to invade America in order to be responsible for the situation. Hell, he thumbed his nose at the UN for over 14 years and remained utterly uncompliant with those UN resolutions right up to the eve of the invasion, where GWB gave him one last chance to avoid invasion. Saddam would have rather seen his nation burn than comply with the UN resolutions, thus he was ultimately responsible for every single bit of what happened.

And guess what...he hung for it too.

Now I´m waiting for people to claim that there are still WMDs buried somewhere in Iraq. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE HARDER!

We will get to it once we have found all the unmarked mass graves that Saddam had all his opponents and detractors dumped in over the years.

 

[Mise]

Yeah, you found us out: we're all Islamic jihadists bent on destroying America with 13 story community centres.

edit: x-post. That was in response to Ayn Rand.

 

[Truronian]

It's being built by someone who thinks America is worse than Al-Qaeda,

Who might that be?

within 2 blocks of the World Trade Centre terrorist attack.

Why is that relevant?

And many [not all, of course] of the people supporting it are ethically inconsistent anti-Americans who are ideologically committed to ending democracy.

How many?

 

[Formaldehyde]

It's being built by someone who thinks America is worse than Al-Qaeda, within 2 blocks of the World Trade Centre terrorist attack.

He didn't claim the US was worse than the Al- Qaeda. That is an obvious strawman.

You do realize Imam Rauf is now touring the Middle East as an official spokesperson for the US State Department spreading the message of Islamic tolerance and peace?

That even GWB himself praised Iman Rauf's contributions in this area?

And the FBI used him as a source to teach tolerance to their field agents while Bush was in office?

 

[Newbunkle]

So I think I provided a rational argument why this mosque is offensive.

It's being built by someone who thinks America is worse than Al-Qaeda, within 2 blocks of the World Trade Centre terrorist attack. And many [not all, of course] of the people supporting it are ethically inconsistent anti-Americans who are ideologically committed to ending democracy.

What a crock of .

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[Ajidica]

Ayn Rand, did you watch the movie Formaldehyde linked to? She called the Arabs " A bunch of primitive savages", and she gets applauded for that.

It's being built by someone who thinks America is worse than Al-Qaeda,

Where did he say that? He just criticized America. Read my sig. "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty."

within 2 blocks of the World Trade Centre terrorist attack. And many [not all, of course] of the people supporting it are ethically inconsistent anti-Americans

You're fudgingg BRIT!!! How can you say what is American and what isn't?

who are ideologically committed to ending democracy

Please retract that statement, or I will get very offended, and likely most other people. Are you saying anyone who supports the constitutional right to freedom of religion anti-american and hates democracy?

Actually, yes, thats why he was hung if you dont remember. He was convicted of directly ordering the deaths of civilians by gassing them.

So even after Saddam was dead and American troops, by accident or not, killed Iraqi civilians, it was still Saddam killing them? Saddam was killing them even after he was hiding in a dirt hole or in custody?

And I think you would be greatly mistaken on that...especially if you consider the Iran/Iraq war, which Saddam was directly responsible for starting.

Which of course, happened during a war. Of course the death tolls are higher in a war than during peacetime. Iraq wouldn't go to war any time soon, Saddam was a paper tiger. He knew full well that if he tried to invade anyone, he gets an encore showing of the First Gulf War.

By his dictatorship of Iraq he set the stage for these events to occur. Thats called responsibility.

It still comes down to this: American invaded Iraq when Iraq had taken no concrete steps against America. No amount of excuse making or saying whose responsibility it was can erase that.

I thought you were against the USA being the policeforce of the world?

I am. But if we are going to invade a country because their leader in a nutjob killing his own civilians, lets go where it actualy is a serious threat. Heck, the leader of Sudan even has a UN War Crimes Arrest Warrant on his head.

 

[CaptainF]

Your amazingly simplistic viewpoint really isnt sufficient to give context to the issue. Saddam didnt have to invade America in order to be responsible for the situation. Hell, he thumbed his nose at the UN for over 14 years and remained utterly uncompliant with those UN resolutions right up to the eve of the invasion, where GWB gave him one last chance to avoid invasion. Saddam would have rather seen his nation burn than comply with the UN resolutions, thus he was ultimately responsible for every single bit of what happened.

And guess what...he hung for it too.

So...are you saying Saddam commanded the forces that invaded Iraq?

Given that he obviously didn´t, we are the ones responsible, especially considering that experienced IAEA and UN inspection teams had already concluded that there were no WMDs in Iraq. There was a whole media funhouse of lies, damned lies and (faulty) statistics being trumped up prior to the invasion that turned out to be false.

Yeah...

We will get to it once we have found all the unmarked mass graves that Saddam had all his opponents and detractors dumped in over the years.

Lol yes omg hez so bad WTH

 

[Defiant47]

We're basically saying that Saddam Hussein's regime is better than sex. That is basically what we're saying.

Well, we were just discussing how god damn great Saddam Hussein was! Man, I wish that guy ruled ALL the world!

OOPS! Did I just let slip my liberal communist Al Qaeda-sympathising jihadist Islamification agenda? Silly me! Pretend you never heard that.

Awesome.

I thought you were against the USA being the policeforce of the world?

Ugh. I hate this. Completely dodges the question with something completely irrelevant to the question at hand.

My "frustrating quote of the day".

 

[Traitorfish]

Actually, Ayn Rand was quite racist and Islamophobic.

Well, she was generally a godawful Objectivist, too. It seems like the capacity to entertain boundless hypocrisy is a prerequisite for subscribing to her ideology.

We will get to it once we have found all the unmarked mass graves that Saddam had all his opponents and detractors dumped in over the years.

Unless there's an imminent threat of a Zombie Uprising, I think you may just have your priorities the wrong way round, there.