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Proofs that God is imaginary

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by eastsidebagel, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    What? Listen, just because we don't have evidence for something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

    That is not a good way to disprove that God doesn't exist - and we are back to my previous post. How would you prove that God doesn't exist?

    How would you prove that anything doesn't exist?
     
  2. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    No evidence means no grounds for belief, so you can prove that it is irrational to belive in God which is similar.
     
  3. Mowque

    Mowque Hypermodernist

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    Irrational doesn't mean wrong though. I agree that Christianity is absurd.
     
  4. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    True; but if we believe everything which has any chance of being right we run the risk of becoming Sun readers. I advocate no belief until we know why it works - I can't accept anything which 'just is'. Pascal may convince a few people that it is actually better to be religious, but if God is there he hates me, so I'm going the other way.
     
  5. Mowque

    Mowque Hypermodernist

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    Well, on issues where the data is unclear, sometimes we have to take a 'risk' or a leap of faith.
     
  6. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    Why? No comprendo.
     
  7. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I agree that, in some situations, it may be necessary to treat some things as certain, when, in fact, they may not be, but I wouldn't call this a "leap of faith", at least not if you approach it rationally. It's a judgment of probability, of what is most likely to be correct, not merely believing what you wish to be true, which is, essentially, what a "leap of faith" entails.

    Which implies that, for the majority, religous faith is also determined by social convention, robbing it of any legitimacy it may have. In that light, atheism is really the only honest position one may hold, so you really don't have any ground for criticism. If you're just going to believe in what everyone else does, then, surely, it's better to simply believe in nothing?
     
  8. Mowque

    Mowque Hypermodernist

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    What if it's a case where I see both options as equal? As long as I understand that I mgith not be right. :)
     
  9. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I can't help but think that religious faith, like music, is universal to human societies. It didn't spread from society to society, from tribe to tribe. It was everywhere, right from the beginning. It was only later on that some religions became dominant over others. If every society came up with it's own religions, then that suggests that the truth of religion falls in a pretty narrow range of possibilities.

    1) All religion is fictional: Humans simply have some innate need to create one.

    2) There is one God, and he has an absolutely bazaar sense of humor, and chose to reveal himself to virtually every group in history in a different manner.

    3) There are/were many gods, and the stronger overwhelmed the weaker over time and drove the weaker into obscurity/nonexistence.

    4) Most gods were imaginary, one God is real.

    Of those possibilities, which one actually makes sense?
     
  10. Mowque

    Mowque Hypermodernist

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    What about one God who was interpreted a bunch of different ways?
     
  11. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Why ?
     
  12. Mowque

    Mowque Hypermodernist

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    It just seemed like another option? :confused:
     
  13. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I think it would fall under #2, because to be as wildly misinterpreted as Egyptian animal/human hybrids, Aztec monster gods, European juvenile delinquent gods, Jehovah, and Allah, just staggers the imagination.
     
  14. Agent327

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    It seems to me we are in agreement here - which what my previous post was about.

    Really? I always say people should google more... But just off the top of my head:

    - there's 2 Genesis versions
    - there's 2 10 Commandments versions
    - there are 4 different canonical Gospels (the most diverging one being the Gospel according to John)
    - according to the NT John the Baptist is a follower of Jesus (the baptism itself confirms that the other way around would be the only logical conclusion).

    It would be more appropriate to say that all people are implicitly spiritual, but that this expresses itself in various ways.
     
  15. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    I don't quite understand what you're saying here.
     
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    I probably should correct that statement: according to Christian tradition John was a follower of Jesus, but that's not in accordance to what the NT says. (So this would not be an example of inconsistency in the Bible itself, but in the Christian tradition after the fact. The Bible, inadvertantly, tells the true story: Jesus gets baptized by John; would you then say Jesus was a follower of John, or, as many Christians believe, that John was a follower of Jesus? The fact is that, historically, John preached before Jesus started to, and it might well be that he in fact inspired Jesus to follow his example - even to the point of getting himself killed by the authorites. As Plotinus pointed out on his Ask A Theologian thread, early Christians were rather embarassed by Jesus getting baptized by John, hence, most probably, the turn-around in their version of the story. But if you just read the relevant chapters, there's no denying that John baptizes Jesus - which, in itself, is already somewhat odd, if He be the Son of God.)
     
  17. StarWorms

    StarWorms Deity

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    But we are all individuals. What has a 6 month old baby done to deserve to die?
     
  18. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    My god (who's all powerful) created all the gods, made them a bit schizophrenic and gave them the cognitive dissonance to not realise it.
     
  19. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    You have quite the logical god there ;):p
     
  20. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    If God exists; his version of justice is a long way from ours; he would be considered along with Hitler were he a world leader (advocating genocide and racism; religious intolerance, absolute government and censorship)
     

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