Proofs that God is imaginary

[general_kill]

God works in mysterious ways... DO NOT QUESTION HIM!

 

[eastsidebagel]

Ant to the OP (after reading it)

This is why I consider the OT to be mostly allegorical stories. Mainly because the God that Jesus depicts isn't the same one smiting Egyptian Armies and killing off whole cities. But that is just me.

Mowque, please answer me then: If more than three quarters of your Holy Book are simply allegorical stories for you, what makes you then so sure about its credibility of its remainder?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Well if God were to remove evil right no, that would have to include removing the people who do evil and according to the Bible that is everyone. Are you sure you want your life terminated right now, since if you look at the evil things that are happening right now, they are being committed at the hands of men, so it you really want evil gone. You are forgetting that God does not have to defeat evil right this very moment, since he is allowing his grace to have an effect. Also Jesus has conquered the penalty of sin, which is death and all we are waiting for is for him to redeem us and then you will see what God will do to evil. There will be a time when evil is done away with and when that happens it will not be a good day for those who are evil.

"There will be a time when evil is done away with," well, well, well ... . Doesn't that have to "include removing the people who do evil and according to the Bible that is everyone?" Indeed it will not be a good day, for no-one.

 

[Mowque]

Mowque, please answer me then: If more than three quarters of your Holy Book are simply allegorical stories for you, what makes you then so sure about its credibility of its remainder?

Good question. And one that I knew you'd ask . For me, Jesus was a smart,wise guy. He seems to have all the answers (according to me, also there are a few other guys who seem to be int he same mold). I think that the Catholic Church has done the most thought and most 'research' into this guy and understands him fairly well, but I don't think they know everything. Which is why I have no issue with Jews or Muslims or Buddhists claiming the Truth.

 

[Phlegmak]

@Phlegmak: So does this make you an atheist or just a simple agnostic?
Alternatively, does believing in an obscure alien creator of mankind who descended to Earth before thousands of years in a space-travelling device in order to create an intelligent life form like ourselves makes a religious person out of you?

I'm an atheist. I do NOT believe that a space alien created the universe. But if you're a monotheist who believes in Creation, then you must believe that god is a space alien. The inevitable response to that is: "god's a spirit!" Well, all that means, is if god was a "spirit" then his body is made of some material that humans don't understand yet.

You should read some of my older threads. I looked at religion, especially Christianity, from a scientific point of view. When you do so, you should reach the conclusions that I have.

My end result was: Examining religion is just pointless. Unfortunately, it took quite a while for me to reach that mindset.

I just went through my list of threads I made. Here's the space alien one.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=232093

Others you might find interesting:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=271847
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=271008
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=276273
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=278660
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=278779

 

[eastsidebagel]

Good question. And one that I knew you'd ask . For me, Jesus was a smart,wise guy. He seems to have all the answers (according to me, also there are a few other guys who seem to be int he same mold). I think that the Catholic Church has done the most thought and most 'research' into this guy and understands him fairly well, but I don't think they know everything. Which is why I have no issue with Jews or Muslims or Buddhists claiming the Truth.

A couple of questions towards you:
1. Did you ever completely read the Bible?
2. Honestly, what was your first impression?
3. If you say that you got no problem with similiar claims by the Jews, Muslims or whatever regarding the nature of the One Universal Truth, can you still describe yourself as a loyal follower of the Catholic church? (which I think you have done before IIRC)

I just went through my list of threads I made. Here's the space alien one.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=232093

Others you might find interesting:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=271847
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=271008
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=276273
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=278660
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=278779

Thank you for digging those up!
Gimme some days and I will make sure to read them!

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Most importantly, in a puff of logic. Which just goes to show, you can't expect to prove God through logic, and as such, you can't expect to disprove God through logic. IMO.

Nice logical argument you have there.

But I disagree. Yes, you can. Both. It will largely have to depend on what you (would) consider "God," however. The you can't (dis-)prove God platitude only applies if you don't stick to your own terms - and are more concerned about and with other people IMO.

 

[Mowque]

A couple of questions towards you:
1. Did you ever completely read the Bible?
2. Honestly, what was your first impression?
3. If you say that you got no problem with similiar claims by the Jews, Muslims or whatever regarding the nature of the One Universal Truth, can you still describe yourself as a loyal follower of the Catholic church? (which I think you have done before IIRC)

1. Yes, but I read pieces of it before I sat down and read through the whole thing.

2. Yes, the biggest thing that strikes me is Jesus wisdom.

3. I follow the Catholic Church because it is what I am comfortable with. And I liek its message of non-violence.

 

[eastsidebagel]

@Mowque: Nice chatting with you.
You answered my questions and I hope that now I'll be more capable of understanding you and your points in the future!
I don't see any more ways to let you become doubtful and uncertain about your religion and therefore I'll just let this topic rest.

 

[jessiecat]

There are two old quotes that completely sum it up for me.

1 If God did not exist it would be still necessary to invent him.
and
2. Man created God in his own image.

That's it. No further comment is required IMO. Game, set and match!

 

[eastsidebagel]

There are two old quotes that completely sum it up for me.

1 If God did not exist it would be still necessary to invent him.
and
2. Man created God in his own image.

That's it. No further comment is required IMO. Game, set and match!

True. Maybe it's just the radical atheist in me talking, but if everybody would be thinking like that, many wars and conflicts all around the world could be easily prevented.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

True. Maybe it's just the radical atheist in me talking, but if everybody would be thinking like that, many wars and conflicts all around the world could be easily prevented.

I call bs. Non sequitur. See French Revolution.

edit - I need to check my reading comprehension.

Question: Do you mean if everyone thought alike there would be no wars? If so, I say that is not true. If you meant if everyone took the idea that no further comment is required (the old "live and let live" idea) then you have a point in my opinion. I assume the first. Hence my first sentence.

 

[damnation]

Aright, I must say, eastsidebagel, that you are the most funny person I have ever met! you consistanly try to prove the bible wrong, but for what purpose? So that you will have little 'I hate jesus and all he stands for' cronies? Thats funny.

How can you excuse this?

God cant answer every single prayer. If someone prays for the New Orleans saints to win, and someone prays for the Cardinals to win, someone is going to be dissapointed.

eastsidebaegels noah story

It was a big flood. It was a big boat.

If you dont want to be a christian, fine, but dont try to prove christians wrong at every single corner because you are insecure about your own faith.

 

[warpus]

Maybe God is just unable to get rid of all cancer in the world because he doesn't know enough about biology.

 

[GoodGame]

After reading this, how will you defend your belief?

Disclaimer: Why am I making this thread? It's not about trolling, but it is simple curiosity on my side to hear what some of our Christian posters think about this stuff which I copied.

Run it's the mind police!!!!

I'll defend it by pointing to the Scientology website. Judged from the realm of empirical fact, Xenu is equally bizarre.

 

[Luckymoose]

God as he is described cannot possibly exist. There is a possibility that some form of divine being does exist, but he lacks the power, will or something else to do anything. The universe could be a living being, we don't know, but what we should know is that God as described by humans is impossible.

 

[Agent327]

God is very often disproven through logic, which is why the conception of God changes so often.

Actually, I've never seen proof of God's existence or non-existence.

You knew what he meant!

I merely pointed out that Mt. Everest actually was covered by water - many of today's mountain ranges were at one point submerged.

 

[Flying Pig]

2. Yes, the biggest thing that strikes me is Jesus wisdom.

Whatever your views on religion, that man was something.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

God cant answer every single prayer. If someone prays for the New Orleans saints to win, and someone prays for the Cardinals to win, someone is going to be dissapointed.

Interesting. I further remember growing up that oftentimes God's answer to a prayer is "no". I remember wondering what kind of a God would say "No" to our desires and wants?

 

[Dachs]

God cant answer every single prayer. If someone prays for the New Orleans saints to win, and someone prays for the Cardinals to win, someone is going to be dissapointed.

It had better be the Cardinals fan.