Jesus had incredibly little to say. Most of what he said was, "The end is nigh! The kingdom of god is at hand!" He's not much different than the crazy people I see in the subway shouting about god all the time to nobody in particular.
Proofs that God is imaginary
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But he could get people on his side; motivate them, inspire them... imagine if he had joined the army. He was enough to make a religion based on his personality, and one of history's great philosophers. A lot of what he said makes sense for atheists as well; he was a good, wise man, if crazy.
Nice logical argument you have there.
But I disagree. Yes, you can. Both. It will largely have to depend on what you (would) consider "God," however. The you can't (dis-)prove God platitude only applies if you don't stick to your own terms - and are more concerned about and with other people IMO.
I was meaning that, seeing as God, and religion, is not based on logic*, it cannot de disproved through logic, IMO. If something is based on A, then it cannot be disproved by B, as B was not part of the proof in the first place. Or something like that.
*= by definition. Logic is based on validity, and therefore facts. Religion is not a set of facts, which is why it is a belief, not a law. IMO.
Abaddon
Deity
I prefer to retell biblical stories. Much like Noah's flood involved murdering lots of people, there are other fun ones, too.
The garden of Eden is God behaving in a childish manner in defense of his coveted godhood. He did not kick them out because they ate from the tree of knowledge, but because they might eat from the tree of life and also become gods themselves. Oh, and he punished all snakes to crawl on their bellies and eat dirt. Nevermind the curse for man and woman.
God hates cooperation. The tower of Babel was a sign of everyone working together in harmony towards one goal. Their goal was not "foolish", it was awe-inspiring. To defend his kingdom, God divided man against himself and created war.
The story of Job is a bar bet between God and Satan. Think about it.
Isaic and his son: Do what god tells you to. Period. Even kill your own son. The ending is immaterial: The lesson is frightful.
The garden of Eden is God behaving in a childish manner in defense of his coveted godhood. He did not kick them out because they ate from the tree of knowledge, but because they might eat from the tree of life and also become gods themselves. Oh, and he punished all snakes to crawl on their bellies and eat dirt. Nevermind the curse for man and woman.
God hates cooperation. The tower of Babel was a sign of everyone working together in harmony towards one goal. Their goal was not "foolish", it was awe-inspiring. To defend his kingdom, God divided man against himself and created war.
The story of Job is a bar bet between God and Satan. Think about it.
Isaic and his son: Do what god tells you to. Period. Even kill your own son. The ending is immaterial: The lesson is frightful.
Wisdom? He got himself killed.
That non-violence thing is only post-WW I - before that, the Christian churches were all for blessing wars and guns. (Actually, that's still going on...)
If you knew your religious literature, you'd have known that God only speaks to special people, not average Joe.
Yes, but way back when that was all the rage... Oh no, wait: nobody listened to him - except these 12 guys...
And I still haven't seen any proof of God's existence or non-existence.
Lade
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Do you understand the concepts the God stands on? the "omni's" ?
God IS Able to defeat evil, however, anyone who commits even the mildest of sins is evil. Therefore, he would have to destory all creation. So he's giving man a chance at grace first. The reason sin exists is because of man's own flaws. If there was no such thing as selfishness or hate, there would be virtually no suffering
The problem was that Earth was like a machine. This machine was corrupt. Unfortunatly, it was still in the fantasy age, so God was no where near getting replacable parts. Satan had command IV, so God figured sparing his last couple animal units to build the Grand Merangie on a ship and saving one human unit would be better (inside joke, sorry)
In reality, it was because the world was so corrupt, that there was no way Noah or anyone could turn things around. It was either that or lose the whole Earth
warpus
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There, in the corner! What's that?
It's not God. It's a chair.
Therefore God doesn't exist. QED
God's views of what is and isn't a sin is very strange. It's a sin to wear blended fabrics. Shrimp are an abomination. And if you're great grand father worshiped someone other than God, you're out of luck. And Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the OT laws, in fact, he told people they better adhere to them even better than the Pharisees themselves. (How people reason this to think that god changed his mind and they can ignore the OT is outrageously silly, usually getting hung up on this "fulfilled" word as if it lets the make up whatever they want about the rest of the verses.
This sounds like a rather small-minded view of the idea of god. I mean, he is omnipotent, right? If he could give us Jesus, then he could give us something even better that fits that time. Plus, this is a very gross assumption in the first place. Much of literature is based around the immutability of man. That is, that nothing really changes, even if his surroundings do. The idea that the world was so corrupt defies this idea. And it's downright silly if you compare it to any other point in the past. How did god's chosen family end up with the mess we have today?
It's a story that shows a lack of planning (because it 'needed' to happen), creativity (kill 'em all and let g--err, I mean I'll sort them out later), and even effectiveness (today) on God's part. Face it, it's a poorly adapted version of the Gilgamesh story, about in the same way that trying to adapt other things leaves curious anomalies (like the pagan elements of Easter).
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Simple.
Not everyone who believes in a God believes in the Bible or another holy scripture being 100% factual. Many Christians I have spoken to believe any recordings of God's nature as an attempt to describe it, rather than gospel truth. Of course when mere humans try to describe God, the descriptions will be riddled with contradictions. When you use scripture that is thousands of years old, of course they will be ridiculous at times.
In short: The Bible does not equal God.
what about AIDS?
Capt Buttkick
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Consider this, for a philosophical exercise:
- God is omnipotent and omniscient
- God is good
- God created beings with free will
- God wanted these beings to do good, but ultimately they make their own choices
- Think of Jesus as God's plan B, in case creation didn't take the path he wanted it to
Unlike others, including Epicurus, I'm not pretending I know all the answers. But the above is certainly something a thinking person could base beliefs upon, without comprimising too much with the Bible.
For a disclaimer, look back a few posts in my profile. I'm not on a mission here, but I've spent a lot of time considering these issues.
Capt Buttkick
Emperor
I just love that gta-typo there
Ziggy Stardust
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We're a design flaw without God knowing this in advance with him being an omnipotent and omniscient creator?
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What is with all the atheists on this forum constantly trying to put down religion? I don't understand why unless it's just for enjoyment from ruffling feathers.
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Well, you can't be both omniscient and omnipotent at once. If you are truly omniscient, you know everything, including the future. So, lets think about what would happen if God tried to change the future (if he's omnipotent, surely he can do this?). Well, if he's omniscient, then he's have already seen that he was going to change it, so he wouldn't be changing it after all, hence he can't be omnipotent. If he's omnipotent, and hence can change the future, then he wouldn't have seen it, so he's not omniscient.
This also gives a problem with the "Plan B" idea. If God is omniscient, he'd already know what was going to happen. So why would he have a backup plan. Indeed, if he already knew that creation wouldn't go in the direction he wanted it to, then why would he create it in the first place? If, on the other hand, he was omnipotent, they he'd have the power to get it right first time....
Possible answers:
a) God didn't do any of it
b) God's not quite as powerful as he claims to be
c) God's mad
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
What do you mean?
Everyone agrees that gods are imaginary, they just disagree about which gods are imaginary.
Abaddon
Deity
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