Question Evolution! 15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

[Midgard Eagle]

I know, we just never learn, do we?

 

[kramerfan86]

But the problem is a large chunk of people have this mindset, and they arent trolling. Even worse, they want education to be reshaped based upon these thoughts. its a very real issue, especially in the US.

 

[Sonereal]

so you can't have both science and religion?

No one is not saying you can't have both. You can be a Christian and believe in Evolution and God. At the same time, you can be a scientist who believes in evolution and still believe in whatever religion you have.

 

[kiwitt]

so you can't have both science and religion?

Just pointing out one way is effective and the other is not, usually.

 

[Leoreth]

God is not just an explanation for what we don't know, look at any religion.

Why do you treat him like that, then? Why does it take something away from God if something that was previously explained by divine action can now be explained by science? In your own words, there's more to God than to offer explanations.

It's you who insists on the dichotomy of God and science.

 

[civ2]

Midgard Eagle
You brought the point which is crucial:
Scientists do not see nature and science as being "G-dly".
They rather oppose these two concepts.
But the truth is, it's the most stupid thing to do.

Which means that everything that happens comes from Above. Which means that G-d can be found anywhere, at any time, in any thing and by anybody. Which means that splitting the Red Sea or stopping the sun in its path are minor miracles when compared to the very fact that we all continue to exist. Because every moment we are all created anew, something from nothing.

Higher Reality

We take the laws of nature too seriously. We think of the world as though it exists just as its Creator exists.

That is why we must have miracles. A miracle is a state of enlightenment that says, “Our reality is nothing but a glimmer of a Higher Reality. In that Higher Truth, there is no world. There is nothing else but Him.”

Not and Is

G-d is not Nature.

But Nature is G-dly.

The Creator of Logic

G-d can do anything. He could even, as the Talmud puts it, "fit an elephant through the eye of a needle."

So, how would He do it? Would He make the elephant smaller? Or would He expand the eye of the needle?

Neither. The elephant would remain big, the eye of the needle small. And He would fit the elephant through the eye of the needle.

Illogical? True. But logic is just another of His creations. He who created logic is permitted to disregard it.

Einstein’s G‑d

Einstein received acclaim for demonstrating that energy and matter are one. The scientist who demonstrates how all forces are one in a unified theory will receive even greater acclaim.

So, since we all agree that someone will eventually establish this, why not accept it right now, and we’ll call it G‑d?

Science & G-d

In the nineteenth century, many scientists had no use for G-d. Instead, they worshipped a tight chain of cause and effect that left no room for miracles, providence or prophecy.

But then the scientist looked into the atom and the wonder of the universe opened before him. The iron chain of cause and effect was loosened and Determinism deposed from its throne. Today, once again there is room for G-d in the minds of men.

Discoveries & Inventions

Everything was created as a means to know G-d.

Every discovery we have ever made, each of our inventions, was planted here in the six days of creation in order that we utilize it for a G-dly purpose.

Scientific Revolution

More than 1,700 years in advance, the author of the Zohar predicted a revolution of science and technology beginning in the middle of the last century. There he describes the fountains of wisdom bursting forth from the ground and flooding the earth --all in preparation for an era when the world shall be filled with wisdom and knowledge of the Oneness of its Creator.

From this we know that the true purpose of all technology and modern science is neither convenience nor power, but a means to discover G‑dliness within the physical world.

Gravity

No one has ever seen, touched or measured a particle or a wave of gravity. Furthermore, the very notion of gravity is mystifying: masses light years apart with nothing between them, affecting each other’s movements!

Yet we all accept there must be a cause behind the phenomena we observe, so we call this elusive force “gravity.”

So too, there is a cause behind existence. That Cause may be even more elusive, but the reality of its existence is at least as inescapable and empirically evident.

 

[Sonereal]

Can you post something that's relevant and in your own words instead of just quoting and quoting? Especially when the quotes have nothing to do with your argument half the time.

 

[kramerfan86]

Midgard Eagle
You brought the point which is crucial:
Scientists do not see nature and science as being "Godly".
They rather oppose these two concepts.
But the truth is, it's the most stupid thing to do.

No, you see plenty of scientists DO think God is in some way behind all that they say. However, they are not arrogant enough about their own personal religious beliefs to go "yes gravity, which is created by MY God, not your silly imaginary one", this allows science to be universal across the planet as opposed to Christian science, or Jewish science, or Islamic science, etc. There are scientists for instance who believe evolution is the tool by which God created life, but at the same time they do not insert God into the evolutionary theory because that is a personal belief that is only applicable in their own religion, not universally.


For instance you quoted Einstein, notice that even though Einstein believed God was behind his theories, he DID NOT insert God into his theories because that wouldnt be scientific.

 

[bathsheba666]

Midgard Eagle
You brought the point which is crucial:
Scientists do not see nature and science as being "G-dly".
They rather oppose these two concepts.
But the truth is, it's the most stupid thing to do.

Seriously, why do you take refuge behind these fairy tales ?

 

[Singularity]

@Civ2

I would say that what appears to be your main fallacy is that as long as science can't put two lines under the answer it can be attributed to a religious text or dogma. History is full of that train of thought. You and your peer's problem is that a lot of these questions leads to hypothesis' which have later being proven by strong theory's backed up by actual empirical data that indeed put two lines under the answers.

Science means we keep looking into the Godly miracle that is the universe for verifyable data to understand how it works. Religion doesn't want us to look deeper than our own metaphysical understanding of that same Godly universe based upon various pieces of religious dogma.

 

[emzie]

Guys, there's no point continuing to debate with him. He doesn't know the science of biology -- or philosophy of science for that matter -- well enough to even know what he doesn't know. You might as well try and explain biology to a cat.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Science means we keep looking into the Godly miracle that is the universe for verifyable data to understand how it works. Religion doesn't want us to look deeper than our own metaphysical understanding of that same Godly universe based upon various pieces of religious dogma.

wrong, God wants us to learn how he made everything work through science.

 

[naterator]

But the problem is a large chunk of people have this mindset, and they arent trolling. Even worse, they want education to be reshaped based upon these thoughts. its a very real issue, especially in the US.

Yes, the ones that argue the point sincerely are often just as bad, if less frustrating. Thankfully, cdesign proponentists have been shut out of the classroom for the most part, although warning stickers that basically call BS on the ToE are a sign that there is much work ahead.

 

[Sonereal]

wrong, God wants us to learn how he made everything work through science.

Then why is Evolution inherently wrong...?

 

[civ2]

Singularity
All would be dandy if I wouldn't constantly be hearing evolution used as a prove against G-d.
(Yes, people tend to do it, regardless of what some of you say.)
Not to mention that (as I already said) evolution is pretty incompatible with some religious ideas, starting the holiness seventh day of CREATION, which is applied WEEKLY.
Also, science is as much dogma as is any religion.
Just some of its points are more obvious than in the case of religion.
Anyways, I'm not fighting evolution to prove anything religious.
On the contrary, I'm looking at it from the skeptical point of view, which tells me it's stupid to take unprovable ideas and call them facts.
Religion normally calls it FAITH and BELIEF, while scientists call the same feelings KNOWLEDGE.
Well, then I KNOW there's G-d, as much as (any of) you know there's evolution.
In my case, it does affect my life priorities, whereas in yours it doesn't.

(Bringing here the obvious problem of subjective morality is futile, exactly because of that same point.)

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Huh??

 

[Sonereal]

"It's stupid to take unprovable ideas and call them facts."

Like God?

Evolution has evidence. This isn't the 1800s. There has been experiments. You are fighting evolution to prove something religious.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

"It's stupid to take unprovable ideas and call them facts."

Like God?

We arent calling you ignorant for disagreeing.

 

[warpus]

Civ2, it doesn't really matter what you think about evolution. You'll never be a teacher, a biologist, or whatever. You'll never be a scientist.

You are hardcore into G-d and that's your life. Live your life and let the scientists do the science, because (and no offense), when it comes to science and biology you don't even understand the basics... much like I don't understand the basics of your religion, which is why I don't make claims about it and engage in debates.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

@CELTICEMPIRE: Sigh...