Republican Bidens and the Failure of the Democratic Party

[Ailedhoo]

May we keep to topic of the thread?

Let the PRC talk be that way (whether you want to have it) while here be on the OP of the thread on Democrat faction of the USA and the potential issues that has set forth when it comes not just to presidential policy but practically the question of how matters impact the electoral process.

Specifically, I wish to share the following article on American Muslim reactions towarsd the ongoing seige on Gaza and the policy of organsiations when it comes to politicians seeking PR. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/9/not-your-typical-ramadan-muslim-americans-focus-on-gaza-in-holy-month

“But they are emphasising the importance of stopping the Gaza genocide, and they’re making it clear that politicians who support the Gaza genocide are not welcome to celebrate Ramadan with us,” Mitchell told Al Jazeera.

 

[Akka]

Not to belabor the point but both collapses could have been avoided with investment that was not forthcoming because apparently spending money on high explosives used to murder children is more important.

True.
But there is still a little bit difference between a bridge collapsing while being lightly used as intended, and a bridge collapsing while being hit by a 100 000 t ship.

This is just not true.

See this is exactly what I was complaining about pages ago. People are unfairly saying that Crezth loves Russia or something, when its clear she just wants people to treat the two regimes (America and Russia) with consistency! But no, failing to constantly praise how superior America every day means you love Putin.

You really need to take your filters out.

 

[Farm Boy]

Being a student of the political history of this also links to things that do induce panic. I've been around and paying attention nearly as long as you - I've always mocked the folks that routinely describe every presidential election as "the most important one in recent memory" or some such. But even the vibes I was getting when Trump was getting into the primary in 2016, with "if I don't win, it's clearly rigged" pointed to a fundamental problem we have now. And yes, I'm starting to plan for the end of this year being like a regime change; plan D for me is buying a sailboat and heading off toward the southern Pacific expanse to live out the rest of my life while y'all here figure out how to dispose of Trumpism.

Yeah, he's a moron. But the people that doomsday that hardest on him do misread and misquote his speeches, frequently enough, as if he wasn't full of it enough to begin with, and then usually go on to gush about record polarization on the other side. As if we didn't have students and cops fighting with sticks in the street in my dad's time. I guess that may show a type of uninformed polarization?

 

[Comrade Ceasefire]

And yes, I'm starting to plan for the end of this year being like a regime change; plan D for me is buying a sailboat and heading off toward the southern Pacific expanse to live out the rest of my life while y'all here figure out how to dispose of Trumpism.

Plan E: Democrats get the Independents to joint them. All of them.
Percentage of population in the United States owning at least one gun in 2022, by political party affiliation

 

[Gori the Grey]

Oh, Igloo Tuckersbane is a gun-owner, Comrade. Famously so!

Jan. 6th commission

you are claiming the stupid should be jailed in posting that. a fake conspiracy is not a crime, because it is fake. they had neither means nor will to carry it out, yet were charged for a criminal conspiracy where the only actual criminals were with "law enforcement". already happened. not a...

forums.civfanatics.com

 

[Comrade Ceasefire]

Some kind of massive, but subtle, disinformation campaign concerning Biden in the weeks prior to the election.

I'll have to work out the details. Not that he's dead. He could put that to rest through an appearance on live TV.

But a leaked cognitive abilities test.

Something that it would take him more than two weeks to stamp out/discredit.

Staged so that it certain early facts are concerning, but uncorroborated. Then something from another quarter altogether that looks like it's not directly connected, but indirectly provides substantiation. Something that, the more you try to stamp it out, the more suspicious you look.

A few weeks ago, Scott Galloway suggested that AI tampered information will really kick in during the 3rd quarter of 2024.
Subtle effects, like making Biden respond slightly slower to questions, or walking with a slightly shakier gait, etc.
Of course, that cuts both ways, and Dem supporters might start making Trump sound stoopider, or... n/m.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Yeah, he's a moron. But the people that doomsday that hardest on him do misread and misquote his speeches, frequently enough, as if he wasn't full of it enough to begin with, and then usually go on to gush about record polarization on the other side. As if we didn't have students and cops fighting with sticks in the street in my dad's time. I guess that may show a type of uninformed polarization?

I agree that anyone describing the polarization and conflict of today as 'unprecedented' hasn't read about the 1960s. It could definitely get worse. I almost hate to say it out loud, I don't want to be a jinx, but nobody has been assassinated here lately.

But the big difference to me is that we're heading in the wrong direction, these last handful of years. The violence of the 1960s was the reactionaries and authoritarians trying to prevent change; today, the reactionaries and authoritarians are the ones enacting change. For all of the fits & starts and episodes of violence in our history, 2022 was the first time a right was rescinded, and anyone who thinks they're going to stop there is naive beyond words.

 

[EnglishEdward]

A few weeks ago, Scott Galloway suggested that AI tampered information will really kick in during the 3rd quarter of 2024.
Subtle effects, like making Biden respond slightly slower to questions, or walking with a slightly shakier gait, etc.
Of course, that cuts both ways, and Dem supporters might start making Trump sound stoopider, or... n/m.

That might prove beneficial to both candidates, being able to hide their incapacity behind claims of AI fakes.

 

[Lexicus]

For all of the fits & starts and episodes of violence in our history, 2022 was the first time a right was rescinded, and anyone who thinks they're going to stop there is naive beyond words.

This isn't really true. The end of Reconstruction saw people lose rights they had gained during the occupation of the former Confederacy.
More recently (as in over the last four decades or so) there have been a string of decisions similar to this one that have limited the adverse rights of people against police:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-miranda-rights/index.html

 

[Gori the Grey]

A few weeks ago, Scott Galloway suggested that AI tampered information will really kick in during the 3rd quarter of 2024.
Subtle effects, like making Biden respond slightly slower to questions, or walking with a slightly shakier gait, etc.
Of course, that cuts both ways, and Dem supporters might start making Trump sound stoopider, or... n/m.

I think deep fakes will play their role, but I also think that they are crafting a narrative flexible enough that they can hook it onto any actual thing that happens. As @Ajidica mentioned, even back in 2016, they jumped all over Hillary for stumbling. They'll have a broad narrative--frailty. They'll have fake documents and videos they can drop that further the narrative. But in addition, they'll keep their narrative nimble enough that they can weave into it any actual misstep Biden makes.

And yeah, it's of no help to the Ds because even AI, stupid as it is, couldn't make Trump yet more stupid.

 

[Lexicus]

Btw, GOP attempts to distance themselves from the AZ ruling should not be allowed to succeed. The AZ ruling is just a taste of what will happen across the country if the GOP is allowed untrammeled control of the federal government. When talking about the Comstock Act for example that's not just gonna be applied to USPS, Trump's federal agencies will determine it also applies to private carriers. The pro-life lunatics who think embryos are human beings will absolutely set up an apparatus to intercept everyone's mail to prevent anyone from sending or receiving baby-murder pills. Etc etc. Nothing is off the table. Many people in the GOP (like Trump: the only strong abortion-related opinion he has is his mistresses need to get them if he knocks them up) don't care themselves about abortion but are willing to let the most extreme elements of the pro-life movement set policy for political advantage

 

[EgonSpengler]

This isn't really true. The end of Reconstruction saw people lose rights they had gained during the occupation of the former Confederacy.
More recently (as in over the last four decades or so) there have been a string of decisions similar to this one that have limited the adverse rights of people against police:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-miranda-rights/index.html

True. The Florida Republicans have, I believe, successfully blocked implementation of the voters' decision to allow felons who'd served their sentences to vote, effectively disenfranchising a whole group of people.

Btw, GOP attempts to distance themselves from the AZ ruling should not be allowed to succeed.

And not for purely punitive reasons either, if that's not a good enough reason for us by itself.* Simply put, we shouldn't believe that they've had a genuine and permanent change of heart. They'll be back to their old selves as soon as the election is over.


* And in this case, 'punitive' would simply mean not re-electing them, which is not something they're entitled to anyway. Throwing politicians out of office when they fail to represent their constituents is how the system is supposed to work.

 

[Lexicus]

And not for purely punitive reasons either, if that's not a good enough reason for us by itself.* Simply put, we shouldn't believe that they've had a genuine and permanent change of heart. They'll be back to their old selves as soon as the election is over.

They are just lying when they say they oppose the ruling. They are trying to neutralize the abortion issue. The fact is that every justice on the AZ supreme court was appointed by a Republican governor, and without Trump's three appointees to SCOTUS then Roe would still stand.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Michelle Goldberg's NYT op-ed today!

 

[EgonSpengler]

They are just lying when they say they oppose the ruling. They are trying to neutralize the abortion issue. The fact is that every justice on the AZ supreme court was appointed by a Republican governor, and without Trump's three appointees to SCOTUS then Roe would still stand.

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Yes, that's pretty much what I wrote in the abortion thread. Anyone who believes these Republicans is the star of Gullible's Travels.

 

[Comrade Ceasefire]

And yeah, it's of no help to the Ds because even AI, stupid as it is, couldn't make Trump yet more stupid.

OTOH, AI could end up as the least stupid in a tight contest.
1. Don Snr.
2. Don Snr + Don Jnr VP.
3. US Voters if either A or B win.
4. Dems for persisting with Biden.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Dem, Dumb, Dumberer and More Dumberer.

 

[Crezth]

True.
But there is still a little bit difference between a bridge collapsing while being lightly used as intended, and a bridge collapsing while being hit by a 100 000 t ship.

And if US pilots working on standard maintenance schedules prove unable to prevent hitting more bridge pylons in the future, I’m sure you’ll find excuses for that too.

Really speaks to the poverty of general understanding and sense that people don’t get why the Baltimore bridge collapse is in fact a maintenance disaster.

 

[Lexicus]

And if US pilots working on standard maintenance schedules prove unable to prevent hitting more bridge pylons in the future, I’m sure you’ll find excuses for that too.

Really speaks to the poverty of general understanding and sense that people don’t get why the Baltimore bridge collapse is in fact a maintenance disaster.

For what it's worth, it seems to me that we're paying less attention than we should to the ship side of the incident. I don't doubt there is a backstory similar to the East Palestine "let's put one engineer on each train and make them work 18 hour shifts, what could go wrong?" backstory.

 

[Farm Boy]

I agree that anyone describing the polarization and conflict of today as 'unprecedented' hasn't read about the 1960s. It could definitely get worse. I almost hate to say it out loud, I don't want to be a jinx, but nobody has been assassinated here lately.

But the big difference to me is that we're heading in the wrong direction, these last handful of years. The violence of the 1960s was the reactionaries and authoritarians trying to prevent change; today, the reactionaries and authoritarians are the ones enacting change. For all of the fits & starts and episodes of violence in our history, 2022 was the first time a right was rescinded, and anyone who thinks they're going to stop there is naive beyond words.

The pendulum swings. There's been incredible liberalization all over the board in many ways. The war on marijuana is not over, but it's winding down. Cashless bail gets used, that's a new thing and it seems to be getting at least some pushback. There was federal prison reform, it goes on and on. But the end of judicial fiat of what is protected human life and the reintroduction of the issue into legislative discourse, after 50 years of medical advancement no less, does seem to have the fire and brimstone frothing in the discourse.