Russia a democracy after all - sort of

Well, I might be wrong, I always thought it has negative connotation pointing especially on dictatorship and the idea that this regime should be ended.
 
Calling it "Putin's regime" is a legitimate term.

Much in the same way as I can call Britain "Cameron's regime" and it would be correct.
I've honestly never heard anyone use the term "Cameron's regime" unless they were trying to make what they thought was a witty remark.
 
Somewhere along the way, it picked up a negative connotation.

The word regime just means a system of political rule or government derived from the French word régime, which itself is derived from the French word regimen meaning rule or government which itself is derived from regere (meaning regal). Before that, it probably was derived from the Latin word for king 'Rex'.

It's suppose to have no negative connotation.
 
Wait... what? The national TV actually fueled those happenings? Sorry for asking, but are you sure? Is that for real?
In the German media I in deed got the picture that some bigoted Egyptians are violent and the SCAF does their best to contain them.... If true, what you wrote is just as insightful as sickening. And why the hell would the German media not report on that I wonder? It can't be hard to find out if the main TV station (which I assume the national TV is) is responsible. And the connection to the SCAF is even more obvious (naturally they have a grip on national TV as in every "respectable" authoritarian state).

Here is a quote from a human rights site:

"During the clashes—now referred to as Black Sunday—Egyptian state television broadcast that “Christians were attacking the military” and urged citizens to join in defense of the army, a call that exacerbated the clashes. The military employed excessive violence against the protesters, opening fire on the unarmed demonstrators and killing some with armored personal carriers (APCs). The clashes resulted in more than 25 deaths and over 300 injuries."

I will try and find some footage where they are saying it. But yeah the SCAF more or less continued the Mubarak regimes nastiness. I think some 15.000 has been arrested and tried in closed military courts... Some sentenced to death. Bloggers, journalists and activists.
 
But let's just assume our guy is sponsored by American organizations. So freaking what?
It means that he serves the interests of these organisations instead of doing what he claims to do. Unless you suppose that fighting with corruption in Russia is what American taxpayers are dreaming to waste money on.
 
Russia is better democracy than USA - the choice of parties in elections much bigger.

China must be a better democracy than Russia in that case! It has 9 parties compared to Russia's 7 in the last election.
 
China must be a better democracy than Russia in that case! It has 9 parties compared to Russia's 7 in the last election.
Even North Korea has three. Evidently the United States is well behind the times!
 
@Rulle_Kebab
Thanks for the input.

Maybe you are just too paranoid?
If a guy who is best known for exposing corruption gets picked on by the government, and when this government has a decent history of corruption and trying to strangle opposition, "paranoia" - if you need to call it that - is what your country needs. Not willingly buying into flimsy arguments why the guy deserves to be locked away. If you don't understand that, then you are at least partially just the tool certain authorities want you to be. The prime reason of democracy not correctly working.
Though I can understand you: there are no criminals or wrong-doers in Russia until they are part of its authorities and especially among opposition to those authorities, those latter are all saint and honest. My foot!
I never said so or even insinuated so. And I surely don't think so. And of course it is possible Navalny is the villain here. But from what I have gathered so far: Not in my book, for all the reasons mentioned so far.
Divide et impera. I sure would too... if I were an idiot of naivety or a hater of my own country.
Now you didn't even try to argue.
If any of those people appeared in the U.S. with the same things they say here, they'd be in jail next day for 150 years.
You pretty much can say whatever you want in the US unless you directly agitate people to commit crimes.
But even if that were so, or even if Navalny broke a law - so what? What happens in the US is not the holy determinator of what is right or wrong. Neither are laws. Morality is. The actual consequences of different actions and attitudes are. What you want is. And I take it you don't want Russia in its current state. But it is my opinion that if you allow authorities/the media whoever to discredit the opposition just for them being opposed in a drastic manner or for them being financed by foreign organizations and if those authorities/media are freaking known to be corrupt to the bone - you give them the perfect and traditional tools to strangle this opposition in the public eye. And they will do so. They always do. It just is too effective not too, as you personally demonstrate.
Russia has no privilege to solve such inner matters by itself, because even the man who prepared armed coup, Khodorkovsky, is strongly supported and advocated by the West, which means constant political and media pressing, not too mention terrorists and mafia corruptionists sitting in London as "political asylum".
I don't know about that. I do know that Western countries are no angels, that there is enough to be criticized in London, Washington or Berlin. But that doesn't make Russian issues less pressing. And for the reasons mentioned that never should be a blank check to agitate against people with good intentions just because they are financed by foreign money. Foreign interests very well can correspond with national interests.

You said you are socialist-minded. So are you aware that Lenin was financed by German money and that he because of that was accused of being a puppet of foreign forces, an enemy of Russia, too?
Lenin was financed by German money because it was in Germany's interest to have the Russian empire fall. But it was also in Russian interest because the Russian empire was a backward and authoritarian mess. And in the end, Lenin was no puppet of the Germans by any stretch.

Accordingly, yes, America has a interest to weaken the Russian state. But I dare to say - you do, too. It needs to be weaken, it needs to feel forces of the people angered by corruption. Not stability. It needs to be scared! Otherwise the authorities will just continue to play the Russian people - simply because they can and profit from it.
 
And of course it is possible Navalny is the villain here. But from what I have gathered so far: Not in my book, for all the reasons mentioned so far.
"Your book" has nothing to do with Russian Federation Criminal Code. Period.

You said you are socialist-minded. So are you aware that Lenin was financed by German money and that he because of that was accused of being a puppet of foreign forces, an enemy of Russia, too?

Lenin was financed by German money because it was in Germany's interest to have the Russian empire fall. But it was also in Russian interest because the Russian empire was a backward and authoritarian mess. And in the end, Lenin was no puppet of the Germans by any stretch.
Russia had and still has so many troubles because of the source of those money that there's no way it would ever be allowed to happen in the future again.

But I dare to say - you do, too. It needs to be weaken, it needs to feel forces of the people angered by corruption. Not stability. It needs to be scared! Otherwise the authorities will just continue to play the Russian people - simply because they can and profit from it.
I am interested in legitimate change of power only, initiated, sponsored and elected from the inside of the country.

Until that I can "bear" current authorities and Unified Russia, which is not that bad or that homogeneous as some of the opposition or Western media as a whole are trying to show. And which is more of a bloc where most of the political elite has concentrated and which is like a cross section of municipal powers, local interests and local attitude of people of different parts of the country. The political elite and the moods are needed to be changed and they slowly change.

The same or close to that opinion are most smart and wise people here in Russia. Who kids and nazi, the majority proponents of Navalny, are not.
 
The absurdity of the rigging became clear as results came in. In some regions the sum of votes cast for all parties exceeded 140%. In Chechnya, ruled by Ramzan Kadyrov, a Kremlin-friendly strongman, United Russia’s result was 99.5%. A similar result was achieved in a Moscow psychiatric hospital.
That last part is priceless! :lol:
 
Clear, non-rigged elections in today's Russia will mean just that communists and nationalists will get more seats in parliament than they got now. Don't know if it would be good for Russia, but I'm pretty sure this is not what our Western friends really want to happen.
 
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It seems like Russia has learned, that one shouldn't be too obvious when making up election results.

They've also learned the lesson of hiring foxy news anchors. :groucho:

So are you aware that Lenin was financed by German money and that he because of that was accused of being a puppet of foreign forces, an enemy of Russia, too?
Lenin was financed by German money because it was in Germany's interest to have the Russian empire fall.

Erm, "being allowed to get on a train home so that he agitates the enemy's working class instead of ours" isn't the same thing as "financing" someone.
 
@Aleksey_aka_al
I respect your wish that Russia develops on its own terms and peacefully. By "fear" I didn't mean fear of violence. But fear of having to face consequences for corruption and abuse if power.
I still hate to see how you buy into this "enemy of the nation"-crap directed at a guy who exposes people who are the actual enemy of your nation by harming it through corruption and hence abuse of power. But if you believe it to be more important that no foreign money is involved - seemingly out of principle - and that a corrupt and power-abusing state enforces its laws - your country, your call.
Clear, non-rigged elections in today's Russia will mean just that communists and nationalists will get more seats in parliament than they got now. Don't know if it would be good for Russia, but I'm pretty sure this is not what our Western friends really want to happen.
I would be in favor of that.
Democracy is a joke if you don't allow the people their actual choice. If they screw up, all the better. It gives them something to learn from.
Erm, "being allowed to get on a train home so that he agitates the enemy's working class instead of ours" isn't the same thing as "financing" someone.
That's why I said "financed" instead of "being allowed to get on a train home so that he agitates the enemy's working class instead of ours".
 
I would be in favor of that.
Democracy is a joke if you don't allow the people their actual choice. If they screw up, all the better. It gives them something to learn from.
They won't screw up, but they may make a choice different from Western-style liberal democracy. Which will always be portrayed in the West as undemocratic, rigged elections, screw up and so on.

That's why I said "financed" instead of "being allowed to get on a train home so that he agitates the enemy's working class instead of ours".
The question is was he really being financed by the Germans or not. But I'm sure Cheezy the Wiz knows better about that period.
 
They won't screw up, but they may make a choice different from Western-style liberal democracy. Which will always be portrayed in the West as undemocratic, rigged elections, screw up and so on.
Come on, don't go there. I know of no example were unrigged elections were commonly reported as rigged because the results weren't liked.
The question is was he really being financed by the Germans or not. But I'm sure Cheezy the Wiz knows better about that period.
I would assume so, too, but I think in this instance he would be mistaken. Google "Lenin financed by Germany" if you like, and u'll find plenty. I believe it is a relatively new discovery, so maybe that is why Cheezy isn't aware of it so far.
 
I would assume so, too, but I think in this instance he would be mistaken. Google "Lenin financed by Germany" if you like, and u'll find plenty. I believe it is a relatively new discovery, so maybe that is why Cheezy isn't aware of it so far.
What I'm mostly seeing here is anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, so you may want to provide a more solid reference than that. :undecide:
 
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