[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight
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Snowygerry
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Well mostly likely the report that you posted above is equally exaggerated, we'll see in a year or so.
Zardnaar
Deity
Even i they capture it its a small city thats not exactly critical.
It doesn't win Russia the war nor restore those depleted Siberian tank yards.
Battlefield doesn't matter to much. Its the Russian economy and Soviet reserves vs Ukraine not collapsing.
Looking bad for Russia but its possible they outcast Ukraine. Pyric victory at best is not likely result for them in a best case scenario.
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I'm afraid not, last year it was mainstream western media parroting Russian talking points without doing the (basic) job of checking a map as the troops were still 10+km away, and it takes more than one year to Russia to advance that much. Or more probably click baiting people with exaggerated bad news.
But now the town is a full grey zone, nothing going in or out without being targeted by drones, and Russian troops are inside the city.
Nov. 2024
Nov. 2025
the blue/green area at the top are the territory "conquered" by Russia in the suicide offensive to give them a political success before the Alaskan meeting, territory they've lost since.
Some more "Russian propaganda" for you. Enjoy.
In Ukraine, which has been at war for 3 years and 8 months against Russia’s full-scale invasion, discontent and resistance surrounding military mobilization (conscription) are growing. Amid increasing numbers of young people avoiding conscription by staying indoors or fleeing abroad, violent incidents targeting conscription officers have even occurred.
On the 30th of last month, a man opened fire at a personnel replenishment office in Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast, central Ukraine, injuring two soldiers on duty. The man was reportedly escorted to the office by a mobilization officer and police, and suddenly pulled out an old Soviet-made pistol during a belongings inspection and began firing indiscriminately. The Kyiv Independent reported, “Police have subdued and arrested the suspect at the scene and are investigating the motive and source of the firearm.”
On the same day, a conscription officer was assaulted in Odesa, a southern port city. A physical altercation broke out between citizens and those conducting conscription activities at a market, injuring several people and overturning a conscription vehicle. Authorities stated, “This was an act of violently obstructing legal personnel recruitment activities,” and began searching for the fleeing suspects.
In Ukraine, men aged 25 and older are currently subject to conscription. The age was originally 27 but was lowered by two years in April of last year as the war prolonged and manpower shortages worsened. However, with insufficient results in bolstering troop numbers, the intensity of conscription has increased. In major cities like the capital Kyiv and western Lviv, conscription officers have been seen patrolling restaurants, shopping malls, and concert venues where young people gather, detaining eligible men. Scenes of young men pleading, “Please let me go,” and struggling as they are dragged away have spread on social media, worsening public opinion. The Telegraph (UK) reported, “An increasing number of young people are refraining from going out to avoid being caught by conscription officers.”
Some have chosen to flee abroad entirely to avoid conscription. In particular, after travel restrictions for men aged 18 to 22 were lifted in August, over 100,000 young people fled to Europe. It is estimated that a total of 600,000 Ukrainian men have fled abroad since Russia’s invasion in February 2022. During this process, cases were detected where border guards secretly smuggled conscription evaders out of the country in exchange for money. The government is also focusing on recruiting volunteers. Earlier this year, it introduced an incentive system offering interest-free housing loans to volunteers aged 18 to 24, and in July, it enacted a law allowing citizens aged 60 and older to enlist. However, the recruitment rate is reportedly less than half of the target.
According to local media, the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43 years old—over five years higher than the Russian forces, estimated to be around 38. The aging of combat troops has reached a serious level as many soldiers who volunteered early in the war have either died or withdrawn due to injuries. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has appealed for a fight to the end, stating, “If we retreat, the nation itself will disappear,” but the younger generation, who directly bear the cost of war, is changing their perception. In a September poll conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), 58% of men in their 20s responded that “there is no need to maintain the conscription system.”
The U.S. and Western countries are advising the Ukrainian government to lower the conscription age to 18, stating, “To maintain the current frontline, the manpower shortage must be resolved first.” While the government maintains its opposition, citing the need to “protect future generations,” analyses suggest it is actually concerned about worsening public opinion.
www.chosun.com
Ukraine's Conscription Crisis: Violence and Mass Exodus
Shootings, assaults and over 100,000 fleeing underscore deepening draft resistance amid warIn Ukraine, which has been at war for 3 years and 8 months against Russia’s full-scale invasion, discontent and resistance surrounding military mobilization (conscription) are growing. Amid increasing numbers of young people avoiding conscription by staying indoors or fleeing abroad, violent incidents targeting conscription officers have even occurred.
On the 30th of last month, a man opened fire at a personnel replenishment office in Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast, central Ukraine, injuring two soldiers on duty. The man was reportedly escorted to the office by a mobilization officer and police, and suddenly pulled out an old Soviet-made pistol during a belongings inspection and began firing indiscriminately. The Kyiv Independent reported, “Police have subdued and arrested the suspect at the scene and are investigating the motive and source of the firearm.”
On the same day, a conscription officer was assaulted in Odesa, a southern port city. A physical altercation broke out between citizens and those conducting conscription activities at a market, injuring several people and overturning a conscription vehicle. Authorities stated, “This was an act of violently obstructing legal personnel recruitment activities,” and began searching for the fleeing suspects.
In Ukraine, men aged 25 and older are currently subject to conscription. The age was originally 27 but was lowered by two years in April of last year as the war prolonged and manpower shortages worsened. However, with insufficient results in bolstering troop numbers, the intensity of conscription has increased. In major cities like the capital Kyiv and western Lviv, conscription officers have been seen patrolling restaurants, shopping malls, and concert venues where young people gather, detaining eligible men. Scenes of young men pleading, “Please let me go,” and struggling as they are dragged away have spread on social media, worsening public opinion. The Telegraph (UK) reported, “An increasing number of young people are refraining from going out to avoid being caught by conscription officers.”
Some have chosen to flee abroad entirely to avoid conscription. In particular, after travel restrictions for men aged 18 to 22 were lifted in August, over 100,000 young people fled to Europe. It is estimated that a total of 600,000 Ukrainian men have fled abroad since Russia’s invasion in February 2022. During this process, cases were detected where border guards secretly smuggled conscription evaders out of the country in exchange for money. The government is also focusing on recruiting volunteers. Earlier this year, it introduced an incentive system offering interest-free housing loans to volunteers aged 18 to 24, and in July, it enacted a law allowing citizens aged 60 and older to enlist. However, the recruitment rate is reportedly less than half of the target.
According to local media, the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43 years old—over five years higher than the Russian forces, estimated to be around 38. The aging of combat troops has reached a serious level as many soldiers who volunteered early in the war have either died or withdrawn due to injuries. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has appealed for a fight to the end, stating, “If we retreat, the nation itself will disappear,” but the younger generation, who directly bear the cost of war, is changing their perception. In a September poll conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), 58% of men in their 20s responded that “there is no need to maintain the conscription system.”
The U.S. and Western countries are advising the Ukrainian government to lower the conscription age to 18, stating, “To maintain the current frontline, the manpower shortage must be resolved first.” While the government maintains its opposition, citing the need to “protect future generations,” analyses suggest it is actually concerned about worsening public opinion.
Ukraine's Conscription Crisis: Violence and Mass Exodus
Ukraines Conscription Crisis: Violence and Mass Exodus Shootings, assaults and over 100,000 fleeing underscore deepening draft resistance amid war
www.chosun.com
Snowygerry
Deity
This is correct imho, the conflict between Russians and Ukrainians will last decades if not centuries, no use in squandering future generations in defending in towns in Eastern Ukraine that have already been turned to rubble, extract the maximum toll from the Russian horde and retreat to the next line.
Do not resort to the same practices as the enemy or the war is in vain.
Kremlin con: Russia luring young men into war in Ukraine with false promises of ‘quiet service’
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stop the strawmen.
But I thought there will be no retreat, the reports about critical situation in Pokrovsk are exaggerated and fake news as usual.
Snowygerry
Deity
Gedemon above said it is not, I'm inclined to believe him. Why would he lie to me, he is not Russian after all 
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That's right, he can do research and make his own conclusions. He is not Belgian after allGedemon above said it is not, I'm inclined to believe him. Why would he lie to me, he is not Russian after all
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Ukraine’s exodus of young men could be fatal
Ukraine’s young men are fleeing the country, and that’s potentially fatal news for its increasingly desperate war effort. In August the Kyiv government allowed men aged 18 to 22 to leave the country for the first time the invasion, and since then some 100,000 have crossed the border into Poland.At the same time increasingly violent Ukrainian army press gangs are helping to recruit some 30,000 new recruits a month, according to MP Fedir Venislavskyi. But thousands, perhaps as many as 20,000, desert or go absent every four weeks. Since the beginning of the war Ukrainian prosecutors have launched some 290,000 formal criminal cases for desertion.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/31/ukraines-exodus-of-young-men-could-be-fatal/
Ordnael
I'll be the roundabout
Understandable and unfortunate but the same or worse also happens with russian recruitment that goes to the point of lying to get desperate jobseekers to sign contracts.
All of this death and misery for Ukrainians and Russians involved alike because a former FSB agent rose to power and decided to become next Stalin...all the while there are propaganda tools clapping for this...I hope their payment sucks.
All of this death and misery for Ukrainians and Russians involved alike because a former FSB agent rose to power and decided to become next Stalin...all the while there are propaganda tools clapping for this...I hope their payment sucks.
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Where do Russian election results come from?
Numbers that come from real data have most insignificant figure are roughly evenly distributed. When humans make up a number they tend to be 0 or 5. Here are the results of Russian elections:
Numbers that come from real data have most insignificant figure are roughly evenly distributed. When humans make up a number they tend to be 0 or 5. Here are the results of Russian elections:
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
I'm not sure how to interpret that.
Is the implication that the number of polling stations with greater percent voter turnout tended to vote for Putin?
Is the implication that the number of polling stations with greater percent voter turnout tended to vote for Putin?
The implication is that many of the results were made up by a human thinking of a percentage and putting that in, or calculating the number of votes from the required percentage.
I've seen that report when it first appeared ~5 years ago. Pretty interesting. What's notable is that the pattern mostly comes from the same regions of the country, across all the ~20 years of data. Large cities like Moscow or St. Petersburg show regular distribution, with dots corresponding to large cluster in the middle of diagram.
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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I do agree that the distribution of points looks quite odd; I'm just trying to wrap my head around it:
It looks as if many places with high turnout and who voted Putin fall exactly along the lines of whole percentage points, and nothing in between.
ex. many places with high turnout voted Putin exactly 90.0, 91.0, 92.0, etc. percent of the time, instead of 90.4 or something that's look more normal.
And you can't get that without someone changing the numbers.
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