[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: War News Thread: Round 6

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I'm sure many outside Europe consider Europe's reaction to the Ukraine invasion as being quite "hawkish", as in, the outside world is surprised Europe is not insisting on a ceasefire in exchange for Russia obtaining some land in Ukraine. After all, it happened so often before, so why not now? Why must this fighting go on? Why resist the inevitable?
But I don't think very many of them appreciate Europe's intolerance to seeing any more wars on their continent, and as an American I have to I guess commend them for that. Perhaps it gives Europe the chance to demonstrate precisely what the whole point of the EU is. Something which these other skeptical countries don't have, some sort of collective security versus bigger neighbors.

tl;dr jealously perhaps?
 
My guess is it's not so logical. They just believe it in this case because Russia stands in opposition to the West. We've seen the same stance on this very forum.
Like I said, Xi must be doing cartwheels right now. If there is a third world war, it will be in the Pacific not in Europe.
 
So, in countries like Vietnam and the Philippines, they're thrilled to back a much-larger nuclear power invading a small non-nuclear neighbouring country? The Peoples Republic must be head over heels with joy.
Have you read the newspaper in those countries to syn·the·size the above statement?
Provoking the war? Fine, why bother?
Exporting inflation to the world? This is the current agenda the countries you mentioned are pushing towards: "https://asean.org/asean-finance-and...finance-ministers-and-central-bank-governors/"; inside the article, there was a pretty interesting mechanism: Local Currency Transaction (LCT), which allows trade between internal countries not being processed via a medium, provide some firm resistance to inflation exports.
Maybe the reason these countries having their economy wrecked are by or not by the war or the inflation export but as inflation export being the easiest form of propaganda. No one is head over heels seeing on the news that: "Wow, the US minted xyz amount of USD to support the war effort of a country.". It is more like: "Oh no, what a nightmare." and how our exports of goods is going to work now; as textile workers here already got rekt by the inflation exports.
 
Have you read the newspaper in those countries to syn·the·size the above statement?
Provoking the war? Fine, why bother?
Exporting inflation to the world? This is the current agenda the countries you mentioned are pushing towards: "https://asean.org/asean-finance-and...finance-ministers-and-central-bank-governors/"; inside the article, there was a pretty interesting mechanism: Local Currency Transaction (LCT), which allows trade between internal countries not being processed via a medium, provide some firm resistance to inflation exports.
Maybe the reason these countries having their economy wrecked are by or not by the war or the inflation export but as inflation export being the easiest form of propaganda. No one is head over heels seeing on the news that: "Wow, the US minted xyz amount of USD to support the war effort of a country.". It is more like: "Oh no, what a nightmare." and how our exports of goods is going to work now; as textile workers here already got rekt by the inflation exports.
Inflation was primarily due to a once in a century pandemic. Having to shut down factories, processing plants, and transportation modalities wrecked global supply chains, not to mention losing workers due to illness or death, put drastic pressures on economies worldwide. Supply chains were finally coming back when Putin's armies invaded Ukraine, stressing energy and food supplies. The US and other European nations supporting Ukraine in a brutal war against an authoritarian regime had no impact on inflation.
 
Putin's armies invaded Ukraine, stressing energy and food supplies.

I'm not sure the inflation we see now is really caused by the war. Along the lines of COVID they've also had many years to straighten out the supply chain.

People got lives to live, ambitions to accomplish. They ain't got no time before they get old and useless to listen to a bunch of others sayin nothing can be done. The time of waiting is over, the time of taking and raping from ones neighbors for the sake of survival and ambition is here and now. Let the age of zero sum competition begin!
 
Inflation was primarily due to a once in a century pandemic. Having to shut down factories, processing plants, and transportation modalities wrecked global supply chains, not to mention losing workers due to illness or death, put drastic pressures on economies worldwide. Supply chains were finally coming back when Putin's armies invaded Ukraine, stressing energy and food supplies. The US and other European nations supporting Ukraine in a brutal war against an authoritarian regime had no impact on inflation.
I don't think my English can convey my ideas well so here is the text I asked GPT-4 to convert what I thought into words
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Ukraine claims that there is an uptake in call to their surrender hotline :

 
Ukraine claims that there is an uptake in call to their surrender hotline :

That's a little too neat. I'm certain there is some leakage of Russian troops to the other side, but those numbers seem too good to be true.
 
That's a little too neat. I'm certain there is some leakage of Russian troops to the other side, but those numbers seem too good to be true.
Not necessarily. It's about CALLS, not actual defections. There is probably a ratio of 5 or 10 calls to 1 actual surrender, if not more.

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Anyway, meanwhile, in Russia :


Long queue in St-Petersburg at money exchanger.

Oh, and also :


Everything is going according to plan !
 
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Putin’s Second Front​

The War in Ukraine Has Become a Battle for the Russian Psyche​

For more than two decades, ordinary people in Vladimir Putin’s Russia could count on at least one fundamental right: the right to remain passive. As long as they were willing to turn a blind eye to corruption at the top and the never-ending rule of the Putin regime, they were not required to demonstrate active support for the government. Whatever Russia was doing in the world need not concern them. Provided that they did not interfere in the affairs of the elite, they were free to live their lives.

Since the Russian government announced its “partial mobilization” in September–October 2022, that right has been taken away. No longer is it possible to stay disengaged. More and more, Russians who are economically dependent on the state are finding that they have to be active Putinists—or, at the very least, pretend to be. Conforming to the regime and showing support for the “special operation” have now become almost essential to good citizenship. It is still possible to avoid showing feality to the autocrat, and Russia is not yet a fully totalitarian system. But a significant stratum of society—teachers, for example—are forced to participate in public acts of support, such as the patriotic lessons that are now mandatory in schools on Mondays. Often these are mere rituals, but sometimes the sentiments are real. Voluntary denunciations have become frequent and are, in fact, encouraged. Consider the infamous case of the teacher who denounced a 13-year-old girl for drawing an antiwar picture: the girl’s father was arrested, and she was placed in an orphanage. In April, former President Dmitry Medvedev called on civilians to denounce those who receive money or jobs from Ukrainian sources.

For Putin, the creation of this new obedient Russia is in some ways as important as what happens in Ukraine. Almost since the start of the invasion, the Kremlin has been fighting a second war in Russia itself, and this war is unlikely to go away even if the conflict in Ukraine becomes frozen. Russian civil society will continue to face systematic suppression. The regime understands that by creating an atmosphere of hatred and mutual distrust, it can make part of society itself more intolerant of those who oppose Putin and the war. Whereas former Soviet heroes were people such as Yuri Gagarin, who was the first to conquer space, now the examples of “heroic” behavior are by members of separatist formations or pro-war bloggers with a criminal past—such as the recently murdered blogger with the pseudonym Vladlen Tatarsky. The war has vaulted these people to the top and turned them into “heroes.”

BASIC INSTINCTS

Russia’s war at home was set in motion well before the invasion of Ukraine. Over the past decade, as his hyperauthoritarian model of government matured, Putin was able to awaken in the Russian public a demand for imperial greatness that had long lain dormant. As it slowly replaced bourgeois consumerism with great-power rhetoric and an assault on civil society, the government found a mostly pliant audience in a population that was accustomed to market relations but that did not understand the practical meaning of democracy. But a qualitative leap in public sentiment came with Putin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. “That’s it. We have become great again!” many thought. In turn, this imperial impulse and also Russia’s growing separation from the West encouraged people to embrace a more primitive understanding of the world.

That does not mean that Russians wanted war: they wanted a normal life. But the motherland, represented by Putin, came calling: We were attacked. We responded with a preemptive strike, and must stay united. Those who are against are national traitors. After more than a year of war, these attitudes have become entrenched in the popular consciousness. Yes, there is war fatigue, and more than half of respondents in polls by the independent Levada Center say they want peace—though, as a rule, while still keeping Donbas and Crimea for Russia. But the erosion of public morality has been dramatic.

Amazingly, for ordinary people, Putin’s selling point is no longer modernization and the economic rewards and rising standards of living it promised, but regression to a more brutish past. There is a growing pride in Russia’s reliance on its own resources and its self-image as a uniquely tough country armed with both nuclear weapons and savage mercenaries. Since the war began, a small but highly vocal segment of Russian society—perhaps 15 percent, as some sociologists estimate—has demanded ruthlessness to Russia’s enemies and suspicion toward any fellow citizens who do not toe the party line—and who might turn out to be a threat to the nation or, to use Putin’s term, “scum.” An increasingly arbitrary justice system now hands down hefty prison sentences to dissenters, and a public culture of extrajudicial violence is being normalized by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, the paramilitary contractor with close ties to the Kremlin.
But the shift in public attitudes has also coincided with a different and more important change: how Russians relate to the regime. Previously, Russian society was defined by an us-versus-them model. The “us” were ordinary Russians, powerless but mostly left alone; “they” referred to those at the top, in the Kremlin and at other imposing addresses, those who lived in palaces and holidayed on yachts and looked down with contempt on the people. As a result of the war, however, that vertical model has been transformed into a different, much more horizontal one. Now, “us” means all Russians, including Putin and his entourage; “they” refers to the hostile powers—Europe, NATO, and the United States—that are trying to tear away Russia’s historical territory. According to this model, all previous differences between the people and the regime must be forgotten because Russia is under attack. People must come together for the motherland; indeed, they must be ready to give up their lives for it. It is important to emphasize that these dictates are not accepted by all, but their incessant repetition has had a hypnotic effect on many, and some, in order not to stand out, have made a habit of repeating them.

As for the economic damage caused by this confrontation with the West, Russians have learned to cope. Even a fortress under siege has ways to acquire vital necessities, and the regime has proved adept at exporting goods to the east and importing contraband through, for instance, Turkey or some Central Asian countries. So far, relatively effective Central Bank policies and technocratic economic management have saved Putin from accusations of socioeconomic failure (and this is despite the serious state budget revenue problems that are already apparent). As a result, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, who is closely identified with the country’s economic policies and has studiously avoided being portrayed as a war economist, has become increasingly popular. According to the Levada Center, when Russians are asked which politician they trust the most, Mishustin is now named more often than Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and is second only to Putin.

For both active Putin supporters and passive conformists, the war is no longer just a part of everyday existence. It is a way of life. And instead of rationalizing it as a prolonged disruption, they have begun to see it as something more permanent. Sure, everyone understands that victory is the goal. But that goal has been pushed so far into the future that it has become as symbolic and distant as the final stage of communism was for several generations of Soviet people. To enter a permanent state of war, many Russians have had to come to terms with the twisted logic of the person who initiated the conflict and dragged the nation into it. In other words, they have sought psychological comfort in the regime and the idea of national unity it embodies, no matter how damaging that might be to their own lives and the country’s future. Either you are with us, supporters of Putin have learned to think, or you are a national traitor.

DICTATOR WITHOUT BORDERS

How has it been possible for so many Russians to accommodate this extreme situation so readily? First, many feel the compulsion to stay in the social mainstream and go with the flow: this is what twentieth-century psychoanalyst Erich Fromm, writing about the social conditions that contributed to fascism, famously called “escape from freedom.” No one wants to be branded an outcast or enemy of the people. But second and equally important is the ability of ordinary people to accept radically changed circumstances—as long as some elements of normal life can be maintained. Thus, everything about the war has been done only part way: there has been a partial mobilization, a partial wartime economy, a partial mass repression, a partial erosion of living standards. In this form of partial totalitarianism, people have had time to adjust and experience each step in the decline from their previous way of life as a new normal.

Yet another explanation for Russians’ readiness to adapt is that Putin has alternated mobilization—in both its military meaning and emotional sense—with demobilization. Right now, the country is in a demobilization phase: in his speeches and state visits, Putin stresses socioeconomic issues, and to the extent that the government is seeking a further military draft, it avoids calling it that, using instead such bland bureaucratic phrases as “clarification of military record data.” In other words, Russian society has entered another period of getting used to war. And as long as Russians experience the war as partial, rather than total, they are unlikely to feel overly concerned about it. According to the Levada Center, ordinary Russians continue to show declining interest in events in Ukraine. In September, when the partial mobilization was announced, some 66 percent of the population said it was following the war to a greater or lesser degree. By March, however, that figure had dropped to a bare majority of 53 percent, with 47 percent admitting that they were paying little or no attention to the war.


But Russians have also been helped by the new historical narrative that Putin has given them. Here, a mythologized version of national history has been used to justify hostility to both the West and enemies at home. The Kremlin has conjured a pantheon of true defenders of the motherland, in which the medieval prince Alexander Nevsky, the sixteenth-century despot Ivan the Terrible, and Joseph Stalin sit side by side with the tenth-century Prince Vladimir, the seventeenth-century tsar Peter the Great, and Vladimir Putin. This grandiose, mostly imperial, and always glorious story also helps many Russians come to terms with their current reality: since they were always special, and since they have always been under attack, they have no choice but to keep living in a state of permanent conflict with the West.

It is still possible to choose another path: inner emigration—opting out of the political process—is still an option for many people, as is actual exile. Russian society now inhabits a strange borderline between authoritarianism and totalitarianism, between the obligation to consider the demands of the state in everything and the ability to exercise certain freedoms, however limited, in private life. The country has become a borderline state, in all senses of the word. Russia’s borders are mobile right now. They depend largely on events at the front and, crucially, are not recognized by the rest of the world. Existing in this uncertainty is not exactly comfortable, but it is possible. The post-Soviet era gave rise to the phenomenon of unrecognized states—Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria—and they have existed in limbo for years. Now Crimea and the Donbas find themselves in the same situation. There appears to be no end to that status either—at least not before the end of Putinism.

TRAIN TO NOWHERE

At this point, it is very hard to determine what victory or defeat would look like for Putin and his active or passive supporters. Even if a cease-fire can be negotiated, the conflict seems likely to be doomed to periods of freezing and unfreezing. And no matter what happens in Ukraine, Putin’s regime will continue its repression of anyone who thinks differently or who puts up any resistance—or even just refuses to publicly support it. These policies will continue regardless of whether Russia is actively fighting the war against Ukraine and the West or finds itself in a cold or dormant phase of conflict. And they may well find support from the Putinized public.

In addition to the new hatred directed against those who have retained a conscience and who feel guilt about the disaster wrought by their government, there is the question of the many Russians who come back from the trenches. What do they think, and what will they do? Who are they, and who will they target with their own anger? Will they hold their own political power, or will they become yet another group of outcasts? What impact will their war syndrome have on the public atmosphere? These important questions remain unanswered.

For now, Putin may be under the impression that there is genuine unity among his people; that the war is becoming—as the Kremlin spin doctor Sergey Kiriyenko puts it—a “people’s war”; that a group of frustrated soldiers and their families is emerging who would like to see vengeance wrought against the West and Ukrainians for everything they have been through. So far, Putin has managed to keep the elites in check. He has also managed to bring back chauvinistic and messianistic ideology and reverse the modernization of a society that had been de-ideologized and modernized. He has mobilized a lot of people to support the war—in both the social and the military sense. No wonder he considers himself omnipotent.

Putin has managed to concentrate enormous power in his hands. But the more power he accumulates, the harder it will be for him to relax and hand over the reins. He cannot afford to liberalize the system or decrease his dictatorial authority. There is only one way left open to him: to cling to power until the bitter end. Putin is in the same position in which Stalin found himself at the start of the 1950s. It was in those late years that the Soviet dictator had to resort to absurd and irrational measures to shore up his power, from paranoid threats to his own closest companions to combating “rootless cosmopolitans” and supporting obscurantist theories in science. For this reason, Putin needs a permanent war with those he deems “foreign agents” and national enemies—his own “rootless cosmopolitans.” It is a war that has to be carried out at home and abroad, whether hot or cold, direct or hybrid. And Putin has to keep moving all the time: stopping is a luxury he cannot afford.

Recognizing this fact offers little comfort to those hoping for a resolution to the war. But when a train has no brakes, it may crash into a wall. It might also simply run out of fuel and grind to a halt. For now, it is full steam ahead—to nowhere, because no one knows where it is going. That includes the driver.
 
I don't think my English can convey my ideas well so here is the text I asked GPT-4 to convert what I thought into words
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One point of contention, it doesn't deny the opposition party's economy because if anything the opposition party's economy (Koch brother oil) has benefitted from the war by driving oil prices up and allowing them to make record profits. This in turn will enable the GOP to have a king sized war chest when going into the next election, it all now depends on who will get nominated to use such a war chest.
 
As far as benefitting the U.S. economy yes I do believe it has though more in a long term sense. If the war goes on for at least four years or if China throws their hat in more to the conflict, expect even more gains for the U.S.
 
5It's wild because equating Ukraine and Iraq makes sense, but then to act like it is the US that invaded Ukraine and not Putin is very odd. As well say that Saddam "arranged" the Iraq War by refusing to immediately give in to all of Bush's demands.



Yeah, I mean, what is humanism if not standing with the victims of aggression against aggressors?
The fact that the American has less-than-pure motives in supporting Ukraine does not mean supporting Ukraine isn't the right thing to do anyway.

Ukraine is not being "supported". It's being used. And it was set up to be used. And, unforgivable, it was a stupid scheme all along bound to fail. It's pure waste.

To be more specific, ukranians were set up. The sitting president there played the role of peace-maker when campaigning for the job, who would end the civil war, against the war-maker Poroshenko. Was voted into office on that platform. And afterwards promptly betrayed that vote. Ukrainians were played on, to be used for the already stated purpose (by the curring US administration, it's on their public record) of "weakening Russia". They are being wasted in their hundreds of thousands as pawns. And it's a failed crusade: the rest of the world not directly involved is aligning with Russia, against the US. Vassals are deserting it, look at Saudi Arabia for an obvious example, I told you here, one year ago, to look at what SA would do, it was predictable. Look at countries from Indonesia to Malaysia to Brasil dumping the US dollar and stating they do so to be rid of vulnerability to US pressure.

The motives for this war are, I say again, essential to understand where it is going and how it can (will eventually) end. Russia motives, US motives, "european" motives. The motives of ukranians unfortunately matter little now which means they are stuck on this.

The motives of russian elites can be found either by reading their media, including official statements, but also the vast discussion of those - its a society with plenty of debate and skepticism, russians have become cynics after their experiences of the 1990s. But of course their media is mostly censored in the oh-so-free "west". You can also look at "western" analysis of russian motives, which in the military and academic press sometimes can be almost devoid of propaganda.
If you want my opinion, the decision to accept the war in 2022 was not light, the trap in it was seen and the russian government walked into it because they judged the odds of turning the tables on the US good. So they met the challenge and after 8 years denying recognition and protection to the separatists, changed policy, recognized them and formally sign a defense treaty with them. It was a clear warning: back off immediately or there is war. By then the russian government had indeed made the decision for war. Also did the "west": before the military war started the EU eagerly went for economic war with sanctions already ready that were supposed to cause the russian economy to collapse, and the US ordered Ukraine's government not to back off (and as Nuland bragged long ago had invested a lot of money making sure it pulled the strings there). In both places (the EU countries and Ukraine) there were enough people bought and deceived by the neocons's propaganda of american hegemony and inevitable "western" victory that the war party prevailed. War it was.
Now, the russian goal of preserving their independence (avoiding regime change in Russia) could be done in other ways without engaging in war to defend the separatist republics. In 2023 Russia could have evacuated those territories as it evacuated Kherson, without the government on Moscow falling. Granting NATO a victory with the usual ethnic cleansing as had been done in Yugoslavia (Krajina). So the decision to meet the threat and go to war now, instead of submitting like Serbia did in 1995, was done looking at matters well beyond Ukraine. It was NATO's expansion, the military threat it posed. Talk of arming Ukraine with nuclear weapons, and they had people crazy enough about exterminating russians that they might use them. And, this is critical, seeing that countries that matter in the rest of the world are fed up with western meddling and willing to turn against the west. The time was ripe to attempt to end western european vassalage to the US. This is Russia's war goal: kick the US out of western Europe, extend russian influence there even if not to the same degree as the US now holds.
This is relevant because it means there will be no ease fire in Ukraine, and no desire for a quick victory there. The attrition war is by design, having this war drag on is necessary for Russia's strategic goals.
- it exposes american military weakness, as its equipment fails to get its proxy to win in a serious war. And not just a wuick war but one that took long enough to rule the excuses of human error or lack of training. Wonder-weapons just keep failing, much as Saudi Arabia kept failing to crush the Houtis in Yemen and lost standing (and ultimately faith in american military power and western weapons) because of it.
- it exposes NATO as worthless because all its support and training cannot help its proxy win a real war, its open promises of support get shown as useless. Worse than useless, a path to disaster.
- it militarily disarms western Europe without having to engage in war with western european countries, as they helpfully sent their usable military equipment to Ukraine to be destroyed
- it makes the silly european governments shoot their own economies with sanctoning their own supply of cheap energy and raw materials, to the benefit of asian (and american) competitors. This causes economic hardship and therefore political trouble inside those european countries and ends up threatening their regimes - the sanctions weapon turned against its creators, and the blame is entirely of its governments.
A quick defeat of Ukraine would just be written off and forgotten. A dragged on attrition war cannot be written off or ignored. It keeps having consequences in Europe. To the point where western european governments must exit it. And they get to do it by ditching the american alliance.

The portion of the ruling elites of the "west" who planned for this war - the neocons - calculated that they could draw Russia to fight a war - they were correct - and that they could defeat Russia through economic pressure and because its army would be weak - they were completely wrong on both counts - do a regime change there and and then resume the looting of the country like in Yeltsin's days. The rest of the ruling elites of the west just blindly followed along because they're so used to "neocolonial" wars having no bad consequences for them that what the hell why not go along with another adventure. Obviously businessmen are very unhappy with thus but they failed to lobby against it strongly when they could - before the crap started flying - and then it was very hard to go against the "humanitarian war" propaganda apparatus. Greed probably played a role on that groups inaction: what if the neocons were right and regime change followed by looting could be done?
Now in the "west" the game is up, Russia cannot be defeated militarily, not isolated economically. The world at large does not care to volunteer to fight the wars of its old colonial masters. If they let any emotional response intrude in foreign policy, it will be joy at seeing those former colonial masters losing one, and relief at seeing their military threat (Libya was destroyed for defying the "west") taken down. The european and american materiel and mercenaries destroyed in Ukraine cannot be used for attacking another Iraq or Libya. The US withdrew finally from Afghanistan because it couldn't support the logistics of keeping its occupation there while fighting a war with Russia over Ukraine. The hegemon is visibly overstretched and so the vassals can escape. They are ditching the dollar and they're not getting regime-changed or bombed into anarchy as a mafiosi lesson for those who cease paying protection money.
And western elites are now split.
The remaining industrialists want sanctions ended and a return to the past. but the past is past, the political requirements for "globalized" trade have changed: accept a "multi-lateral" world. So be it, they have no reason to dislike that.
The financiers would want to keep the "world financial system" as it was, meaning "free" capital flows and the use of the dollar without impediments (such as sanctions) that drive away business. A new cold war is very bad for their business. But, again, the political requirements have changed... and the new world will handle many currencies, which is by no means bad for people engaged in finance. But will mean they must spread around the world, and indeed the UAE is already snatching a lot of business from London, with Singapore and Bombay trying to also. In China even HK is getting rehabilitated to make a run for the business alongside Shanghai (smart move, never let one financial center grow too influential inside the country). The financial types can live quite well with this change, they are not the kind to have any local roots or national allegiances any longer.
The military... they do not want to all die in a nuclear war. So an escape from the present situation by running forward, towards WW3, is out.
So, who remains? Only the ideologues are in on the "crusade against Russia and the multi-polar world" no matter what. The rest of the people that matter are willing to come to terms with the change, drop the US as the "necessary country" and adapt to a multi-polar world.

This is the reason why Russia is taking the war slow, and abstaining from escalating or inflicting real (military) pain on the european NATO co-belligerents. They intend to win and they are winning. Again, evidence of that is who the world outside the US and vassals is reacting, their ditching of the dollar and ignoring of sanctions and attempts at intimidation. The world has already changed. Western Europe is the only place still resisting change because many among the "elites" here drank too much of its own propaganda! All the "humanitarian wars" and phony "rule of war" and "we are the garden and the others are barbarians". These people are blind ideologues and this place needs has to go through some house cleaning before it recognizes it's living in the past. We're lucky the goal for the "asian alliance" in this is to draw european countries into accepting a new security and political architecture of the world. Not to destroy them. Any self-inflicted harm we here in western Europe suffer is on our own governments through the blow-back from their policies. I'm rather sanguine about the war not getting beyond Ukraine's borders.

@Birdjaguar regarding facts: if you choose to disregard anything but your own governments propaganda, how could I ever supply you facts that would make you satisfied?
That corrupt german Ursula heading the EU already admitted to more than a hundred thousand military dead in Ukraine months ago, only for the press to pretend it was never said. I did mention it here (link included). So do the recent leaked documents from the NATO side, only for the intelligence agency annexes NYT and WP to publish what to me are obviolsy fake news claiming that "the numbers were doctored". You choose to believe in such allegations by media well known to carry water to intelligence agencies planting false stories (found those WMD in Iraq already?), what can I do? At least do not censor what the people outside that propaganda bubble say.
You already saw "western" sources admitting to casualties in Ukraine (dead in action only...) into hundreds of thousands. Multiple western sources have put russian casualties under 20 thousand (I pointed you to the BBC's inquiries into military burials also months ago). This is coherent with universally cknowleged relevant military facts of this war: that Russia has a huge advantage in artillet ude, and that most casualties in any modern war are caused by explosives. Obviously the side on the receiving end of the biggest tonnage of explosives is going to have the highers casualties.
But you still would rather believe the war propaganda that Ukraine is wining and all is going wonderfully in NATO's anti-Russia crusade? Frankly that is because you need to believe in the propaganda, otherwise you could not justify your ideological support to continuing this war. In other words: the propaganda is having its desired effect on you.

If I may ask: have you been deceived by the "Iraq has WMD" claim back then? By the "serbians massacred albanian civilians in Kosovo" thing back then? By the "back viagra fueled mercenaries raping for Qaddafi" more recently? By the mythical "moderate jihadis" in Syria? Perhaps you should examine your willingness to believe your favorite sources for what passes for information, before insisting on question other people's. I have pointed out all these hoaxes as they happened. Long before they were admitted. "Ukraine is winning" is also a hoax. It's losing, badly. The country, its population, is being used to in a failed war to sustain an hegemony hat has already collapsed. In plans hatched by the kind of people who said (Madelaine Albright) that a million iraqui children dead were a price worth paying to hold back Saddam. Basically in every new war hatched by the monsters you are willing to simply believe their narrative on what is pure which and what is blackest black?
Come on, you are old enough and experienced enough to know that they lie, and lie, and lie. And that behind every war are many groups pulling their own ways, spinning their own false narratives, and you must reason through it all. Not just "read the facts" in today's paper. Therefore this "war news thread" should not be just a dump of second-hand propaganda from whatever the media is carrying today. If it is to have any value at all, it must look back and forward also, it must analyze and compare narratives, it must reason about motives.

If one reasons about this war, it was obvious from day one that helping Ukraine could only be done by ending the war by agreeing to peace terms that could not be refused. It could have been done by "the west", by the US government really, in day one. Having Ukraine fight it out is not "helping", it is "using up". Ukraine has been used up s a tool. And to add insult to injury that use was useless.
 
Meanwhile, in the actual real world, the Russia campaign of crushing the Ukrainian energy grid and wasting the ammunitions it had in absolutely no shortage had all (considering that the strikes were more and more spaced out and one hasn't been sent in a month, guess the stockpile is at a all-time high) has failed so badly that Ukraine is resuming electricity exports.
 
So do the recent leaked documents from the NATO side, only for the intelligence agency annexes NYT and WP to publish what to me are obviolsy fake news claiming that "the numbers were doctored".

It's obvious the numbers were doctored when you look at the alignment. Then you look at the numbers. Russia only lost 600 ground vehicles? 15 aircraft (planes + helicopters)?
There are visually confirmed far, far, far more than that: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

It's obvious they swapped the digits around, and deleted digits when necessary.
 
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Therefore this "war news thread" should not be just a dump of second-hand propaganda from whatever the media is carrying today. If it is to have any value at all, it must look back and forward also, it must analyze and compare narratives, it must reason about motives.

You entire post is a dump of a second-hand propaganda. I suggest you look at what's really happening in Ukraine and how it matches your writing. Hint, it does not.
 
It's obvious the numbers were doctored when you look at the alignment. Then you look at the numbers. Russia only lost 600 ground vehicles? 15 aircraft (planes + helicopters)?
There are visually confirmed far, far, far more than that: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

It's obvious they swapped the digits around, and deleted digits when necessary.
OMG, is this for real? Most infantile thing ever. They should have pirated a copy of Photoshop or at least used Windows Paint while sat at a proper table instead of using the cellphone photo editing app while going in the bus to the primary school in the morning. :D

But it is the kind of information luminaries like innonimautu love, meanwhile us, the dumb brainwashed mass, must rely on minuciously documented sources like oryx, worldwide prestigious press agencies and all that old fashioned crap.
 
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