I doubt that even seeking out Scandinavian leadership and governance again can set things straight this time...
Russian Answer to EU- The Eurasian Union
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I think it is better for them to expand the scope of Shanghai Cooperation Organization, as they are already members in it.
Economy-wise, it also seems to be a good idea. Ｔhere is no need to have the same currency, a barrier free trade zone can achieve a lot by itself.
onedreamer
Dragon
I wasn't talking of any full fledged war but just street vendettas, quite similar to what happened in the former Yugoslavia and no, I don't have written sources. Anyways, Yeekim I'm surprised you consider religion a primary factor of discrimination of Russians in former communist republics. Are you by any chance denying this discrimination in most former sovietic republics by large chunks of the population and if you (hopefully) are not don't you think it is solely based on ethnicity, as a consequence of the Russian and sovietic imperialism, much like the one Winner shows while at the same time denying it? Well, discrimination leads to various levels of ferocity in the prosecution, I don't find it that hard to believe given the numerous examples in the history of mankind.
You know, skinheads are called such to distinguish them from common people...
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
No, it's true for all countries.
That doesn't make sense. If a country has no good it can produce cheaper or at superior quality than everyone else, it'd be stupid to completely take down its trade barriers.
Part of the success of developing East Asian countries comes from maintaining a high level of protection while their economy was still "catching on".
Part of the success of developing East Asian countries comes from maintaining a high level of protection while their economy was still "catching on".
You are asking Estonian to recognize discrimination of the Russians in former Soviet republics. He already denied this many times, at least for Estonia.
Armenians are not Orthodox, they have separate confession. Many of the Russians are not Orthodox either. Though I also didn't hear Armenia was especially bad in terms of xenophobia, among post-Soviet states.
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
Technically they are also Orthodox, just not the same kind of orthodox as the majority.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Not all skinheads are racists. There is an anti-racist skinhead movement, if it still exists. A bunch of people who showed up to punk shows where I live (when I was in highschool) would profess to be anti-racist skinheads.
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
But that means they are racist toward racist skinheads !
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Antifa are the original skinheads.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Oh yes, SHARP and the like are actually reactions to the rise of racist skinheads, to try and reclaim traditional skinhead culture (rude boy, ska, and working class pride kind of stuff).
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
If a Country A has no good that nobody from Countries B-Z want to buy, why would you then even need a trade barrier? Unless there was something of value in Country A, why would Countries B-Z accept Country A's useless money when selling Country A products?
That's a fallacy known as the "infant industry" argument. Businesses are not people and do not "grow up" and governments can not make internationally successful businesses by bullying domestic consumers into buying products from lousy companies.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
1) I am pretty sure that "what happened in former Yugoslavia" can safely be described as a "full fledged war" rather than "street vendettas".
2) No, I don't consider religion a primary factor of discrimination. It is, however, of some importance in that particular region.
3) Sure, you can always find "discrimination" anywhere. That is, however, not usually understood to mean "killing someone just because of his ethnicity", which is usually descried as "genocide", especially when committed by "large chunks of population".
4) I was simply wondering why you chose Armenia for an example of especially poor treatment of Russians whereas it could rather serve as an example of the opposite kind. Now that I understand it was a random pick probably based on some hearsay you misrememered, we can forget about it and move on.
onedreamer
Dragon
1) In the former Yougoslavia there were people that, overnight (ie after the crumble of the union), literally went out of their door to shoot their neighbors. Yeah, there was a full fledged war but claiming that this war was rather than street vendettas is quite off from truth.
2) as you said they are all the same religion so where is the importance? What about the independentists, filo-russians in Abkhazia and the rest of Georgians? Same area, and again not a religious issue.
3) Stating the obvious here. But in fact I specified the region where this discrimination had the worse outcome. I then had the impression that most posters were trying to ignore the fact that Russians are discriminated just the same as they discriminate other ethnicities.
4) Read above. I didn't chose it as an example of discrimination, I clearly wrote that was the worse case to my knowledge.
And why do you quote me? I only said they aren't common people, not that they are racists.
Lone Wolf
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Armenia was definitely not "the worst case". I don't remember anyone here complaining about Armenian discrimination of Russians. The cases of post-Soviet anti-Russian policies in the Baltic countries, Chechnya and Turkmenistan, however, are mentioned in Russian media.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
"Not common people" makes it sound like they are subhuman in some way..
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Nah, it makes us sound better than "common" folk 
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