Russia's Future

[Kyriakos]

The fight in Ukraine is also so that there won't need to be any such decision over Estonia, or anywhere else, hypothetically even Greece...

If you were the least bit conscious of who is at risk by whom, you wouldn't mention Russia as a threat to Greece.

I think that was more of a swipe back after Sweden demonstrated support for the Uighurs than anything to do with Russia.

e.g.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/video-...cution-of-uighurs-protested-in-sweden-3575893

Yes, but it is still funny Though not as brutal as (a few years ago) the chinese foreign minister or a spokesperson for them calling Japan a "small country".

 

[Verbose]

I think that was more of a swipe back after Sweden demonstrated support for the Uighurs than anything to do with Russia.

e.g.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/video-...cution-of-uighurs-protested-in-sweden-3575893

Thank you. Obviously.

Someone who cares might start a thread on Chinese propaganda, or the antics of the Danish far right stirer up of crap Rasmus Paludan – either or both.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well, the US will be fully nuked too in such a war, so it won't win it either. I have to suppose the US cares about not becoming a third world Fallout chaos realm. Though maybe it cares more about protecting Estonia.

USA will survive better than Russia.

 

[r16]

But letting the tanks roll is what the Russians are doing.

Where does the weird idea that the Russians aren't actually trying properly come from?

As for "Christian duty", by the count of the Moscow Patriarchy that is what they are doing, and by other counts the Russians have shown no such constraints so far.

we are clearly talking two different things . What you are referring is confirming to American rules to let Russian youth get killed for no practical good . So that the President of the United States can shake the hand of demons and whatnot for their stopping of other demons . No , that's just a joke , he doesn't believe any of this and he is pretty sure that he will be the Greatest POTUS of all times . And his son becoming as rich as Elon Musk , the next royalty or something . Yes , that you didn't see this in the media does not mean it is not the fact . And Christian duty is basically the superiority of the White Man . And let us see how this goes with Russia doing what it should have done long ago .

ugh , another New Turkey link . Must have got off from the wrong side of the bed today ...

 

[Verbose]

If you were the least bit conscious of who is at risk by whom, you wouldn't mention Russia as a threat to Greece.

Your problem is that you side with Russia against those who are under threat from it.

 

[amadeus]

Someone who cares might start a thread on Chinese propaganda,

I just can't fathom why any self-respecting Westerner would listen to it, let alone believe it.

 

[Kyriakos]

Your problem is that you side with Russia against those who are under threat from it.

My problem is that I really don't want world war, but this is the likely outcome as long as Russia doesn't win fast. And by now it looks like the war will go on for months, which makes it a lot likelier to lead to a gigantic escalation.

 

[Verbose]

My problem is that I really don't want world war, but this is the likely outcome as long as Russia doesn't win fast. And by now it looks like the war will go on for months, which makes it a lot likelier to lead to a gigantic escalation.

You get more war if Russia wins fast. You just want to throw people under the bus.

 

[Kyriakos]

You get more war if Russia wins fast. You just want to throw people under the bus.

Not my fault that you can't see how any of these very noble wars by superpowers would lead to world war if the other superpower intervened. Same here. I hope you have 5 years to spare.

(that said, it seems you believe in the "great war to end all wars", so what more is there to say really)

 

[amadeus]

My problem is that I really don't want world war, but this is the likely outcome as long as Russia doesn't win fast. And by now it looks like the war will go on for months, which makes it a lot likelier to lead to a gigantic escalation.

The U.S. never used nuclear weapons in Vietnam, nor did the USSR in Afghanistan, both of which went on for ten years. What about this, do you think, is different in the nuclear deployment question from those?

 

[Zardnaar]

You get more war if Russia wins fast. You just want to throw people under the bus.

Or are a useful idiot take your pick.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not my fault that you can't see how any of these very noble wars by superpowers would lead to world war if the other superpower intervened. Same here. I hope you have 5 years to spare.

This is how it works. USSR supplied Vietnam, USA Afghanistan, somehow Abrams in the ME have been hit by Russian anti tank missiles. Afghanistan as well for other weapons.

Or you can not invade that's another option. Someone's gonna supply weapons. Russia was told this before they went in.

 

[Kyriakos]

Wait, this thread is bad.

 

[Verbose]

Wait, this thread is bad.

You don't say...

 

[Akka]

But it is not just a profit and loss calculation regarding trade.

The Chinese may conclude that an out right defeat for Russia would likely result in Russia becoming a de facto
vassal state of the West with NATO advancing into Siberia on its northern borders, and decline to take that risk.

Okay, you lost me at "Russia is repulsed from an invasion, and somehow becomes conquered by NATO who didn't even enter the war".
If anything, Russia losing is in the interest of China, which gets a weakened raw resources provider that has to sell at low price. A victorious Russia might be harder to control.

 

[GinandTonic]

My problem is that I really don't want world war, but this is the likely outcome as long as Russia doesn't win fast. And by now it looks like the war will go on for months, which makes it a lot likelier to lead to a gigantic escalation.

You get more war if Russia wins fast. You just want to throw people under the bus.

Again with the I'm alright Jack.

This is happening. Hoping the wolf will sate itself on those thrown to the dogs is not a viable strategy

United we stand, divided we fall. This isn't geopolitical chess, this is standing up to fascism at the third time of asking. Appeasement only goes so far. To misquote Boromir "by the blood of those people are your lands kept safe".

 

[Sarin]

My problem is that I really don't want world war, but this is the likely outcome as long as Russia doesn't win fast. And by now it looks like the war will go on for months, which makes it a lot likelier to lead to a gigantic escalation.

You just don't see it, Neville, do you...

Russia is on a warpath and the bridges are already burning. Its only two possible endgames are when its military power is expended or it has conquered all it wants. And the goals, as stated by Putin himself and Russian state media, are far beyond just Donbass, Luhansk and land connection to Crimea. They're beyond what any civilized person could accept.

The long war is inevitable already. But it'll be much shorter if it's stopped here in Ukraine.

 

[FriendlyFire]

but what happens if China counters by deciding to supply Russia to bleed the West.

Lmao, bleed NATO that hilarious
My Dude just the UK and Netherlands arms industries combined are larger then Chinas.

 

[Kyriakos]

Again with the I'm alright Jack.

This is happening. Hoping the wolf will sate itself on those thrown to the dogs is not a viable strategy

United we stand, divided we fall. This isn't geopolitical chess, this is standing up to fascism at the third time of asking. Appeasement only goes so far. To misquote Boromir "by the blood of those people are your lands kept safe".

Sorry but you sound like you are out of a video game. When were we "united" so that on the basis of that unity you can non-ridiculously expect others to go to war for you, so that we can also be now? (demosthenic question)

At least those baltic countries have their own legitimate worries. Good - or bad - for them. Feel free to enlist and go die for them.

You just don't see it, Neville, do you...

Russia is on a warpath and the bridges are already burning. Its only two possible endgames are when its military power is expended or it has conquered all it wants. And the goals, as stated by Putin himself and Russian state media, are far beyond just Donbass, Luhansk and land connection to Crimea. They're beyond what any civilized person could accept.

The long war is inevitable already. But it'll be much shorter if it's stopped here in Ukraine.

Ukraine is Sudeten-land now? I don't think you yourself regard Russia as being in the position Germany was at that time. Besides, there are different power blocks now - China/India don't fall within either camp but may support Russia.
For myself, however, it should be enough to note that this country already has serious issues and enough reasons to maintain a half-serious army (actually an army similar in rank to Ukraine's, if one believes military sites), and those issues and reasons don't include risk of war with Russia.

 

[GinandTonic]

Sorry but you sound like you are out of a video game. When were we "united" so that on the basis of that unity you can non-ridiculously expect others to go to war for you, so that we can also be now? (demosthenic question)

At least those baltic countries have their own legitimate worries. Good - or bad - for them. Feel free to enlist and go die for them.



Ukraine is Sudeten-land now? I don't think you yourself regard Russia as being in the position Germany was at that time. Besides, there are different power blocks now - China/India don't fall within either camp but may support Russia.
For myself, however, it should be enough to note that this country already has serious issues and enough reasons to maintain a half-serious army (actually an army similar in rank to Ukraine's, if one believes military sites), and those issues and reasons don't include risk of war with Russia.

You're quite right. Everyone should simply act in there own self interest. There is no such thing as morality and devil take the hindmost.