Seven shot dead at US army base

The worst of your fears will always get the better of you when your loved one is deployed to a combat zone. You never expect this kind of news when they are based state-side. Especially if some of these soldiers made it through one or both of the wars only to be killed closer to home, I just feel horrible for these families.

As for those of you who only want to exploit the story so that you can joke about it or make witty comments or attempt humor...find something else to joke about.
 
Why would that be an absurd speculation? Especially considering the following:.

I dont think such speculation is absurd at all.
So you also think the US military might actually be infiltrated by the Al Qaeda? :lol:

Then I'm sure you will appreciate this article from your apparently favorite source:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/walid-phares-ft-hood-murder-terror-attack/

The Fort Hood killings, perpetrated by Major Malik Nadal Hasan a psychiatrist by training, no matter what the judiciary reports conclude is, for now, the largest single terror act in America since 9/11. This quantitative finding will take into consideration dramatic change in the data released by authorities. However, the most important matter confronting us now is that we must not fail to properly analyze Hasan's possible motives.

What happened at Ft. Hood is not about being frustrated by America's foreign policy or exacting revenge for racial slurs. Nor is it about simply being a Muslim-American serving in the military or about being a member of any faith. The murders at Ft. Hood are about the radicalization of individuals by an extremist ideology -- jihadism -- which fuels acts of terror. The main question we should be asking is when did Hasan become radicalized and who indoctrinated him? Everything else will fall in place once we have these answers. Moreover, this would allow us to detect other potential terror acts that may be in the making.

The shooting inside a U.S. military installation that led to the murders of many military personnel only leads to more questions. Over the past few years and months since the 9/11 terror attacks law enforcement officials have thwarted similar planned terror attacks. The Fort Dix, N.J. plot -- dismantled in 2006 -- was designed to kill military personnel inside the base. Other terror cells have also been dismantled. Cells discovered in Georgia, New York and North Carolina also had plans for attacking military installations on U.S. soil. But more importantly a number of "lone wolves" have also expressed their intentions to attack military personnel.

This year, a person by the name Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, shot two members of the U.S. military at the Army-Navy Career Center in a shopping center in West Little Rock, Arkansas. One of them was killed. In cyberspace jihadi threats against U.S. military serving in the homeland and against American cities has been ongoing. Information collected by authorities, including from suspects and indicted individuals has shown a pattern by the jihadists (militants or propagandists) indicating their intentions to strike at military and security installations.

The incident at Fort Hood, whatever is the personal motive, falls into the category of the demonization of the U.S. and its military. What does that mean? It says that whatever the causes of Hasan's individual aggression, the latter was legitimized by the perception that America is the "enemy." An investigation will soon show if Hasan's motives are strictly personal, ideological or a hybrid blend of motives. It's also important that the investigation into Hasan's motives be made available as quickly as possible to the public. According to retired Col. Terry Lee, who was interviewed by Fox News and who knew Major Malik Nadal Hasan, the suspect made several statements indicating his ideological beliefs such as: “The killing of the soldier in Arkansas and any attack against the U.S. military inside the homeland is legitimate because of American military involvement in the Middle East.” Terry detailed remarks made by the accused killer “against U.S. policy and in support of potential suicide attacks inside the country.” Of course, these statements and those reported by others need to be analyzed and verified.

While we wait for the results of these investigations and experts weighing on the historical context of the suspect's possible motives as well as the specific circumstances of engagement between the jihadist propaganda and the United States during the past eight years along with this type of an alleged attack by an individual on the military, we're still left, at this point, with the the following prediction. Hasan's ideology was part of what led him to alledgedly commit murder at Ft. Hood. Of course, psychological factors must also be given serious consideration but the ideological component, the legitimacy of attacking the U.S. military as perpetrated by some jihadi groups also has to be investigated.

Although I would place this attack within the wider context of the evolution of what terror analysts call homegrown radicalization it's still early. Of course, we need to wait for the information that will come from investigators. We may find that the legal side doesn't jibe with the psychological experts. In the meantime, if we do find that the suspect was motivated, at least in part, by ideology the attack on Ft. Hood must be recognized as the single largest terror attack on America (regardless of its homegrown origin or not, or the psychological reason or not) since 9/11.

In that case, what the world has witnessed this week in Texas cannot be described just as “a horrific outburst of violence” directed at the American military, Instead it is part of a wider ideological war, generated by radicalization and inciting individuals to perform such acts. "Lone wolf" or not, organized or not, fully self-aware perpetrator or not, influenced by overseas radicals or not, this massacre of servicemen has moved America from stage to another.

Walid Phares, Ph.D. is a Fox News contributor and is director of the Future of Terrorism at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. He is the author of "Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies against America."
Of course, it was a Southern Baptist psychologist who went over the edge none of that would be "true".:rolleyes:
 
Barack said not to jump to conclusions. Ya know, because it wasn't a white guy.
 
The worst of your fears will always get the better of you when your loved one is deployed to a combat zone. You never expect this kind of news when they are based state-side. Especially if some of these soldiers made it through one or both of the wars only to be killed closer to home, I just feel horrible for these families.

As for those of you who only want to exploit the story so that you can joke about it or make witty comments or attempt humor...find something else to joke about.

QFT. 5char
 
Ouch, the author of the article forgot the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Asian people can't be terrorists. Just like black people cannot be racist.
 
So you also think the US military might actually be infiltrated by the Al Qaeda? :lol:

No, I stated no such thing. I asked you why considering it would be absurd. Since you didnt answer and chose to avoid my question I predict you will be absent any real answer to my question.

Then I'm sure you will appreciate this article from your apparently favorite source:

What part of OPINION did you not grasp as part of that?

Of course, it was a Southern Baptist psychologist who went over the edge none of that would be "true".:rolleyes:

Excepting that it wasnt a Southern Baptist Psychologist was it? Why dont you reel your red herrings in and give a stab at answering my earlier question. If your're able that is.
 
Denzel wasnt the candidate.

FF watchiing you comment is sometimes like watching continual car wrecks. You could actually try to find out some of the things you think before you post them to see if they are correct.

Troll failed

Yeah I know they call Obama the manuchrian candiate based on the orginal film. Especially since many are attacking hes reforms as communistic / socalist agenda. it was meant to be a jest at your use of the term "manuchrian candiate"

The son of a powerful right wing family serving in a war against communist forces. taken captive during the fight. Then as a POW tortured, brainwashed and conditioned to carry out hidden communist plans to take control of the US.

I always found it funny how close it resembled the GOP candiate John McCain rather then Barrack Obama.

Stupid hollywood and its remake !!!

:lol:
 
The worst of your fears will always get the better of you when your loved one is deployed to a combat zone. You never expect this kind of news when they are based state-side. Especially if some of these soldiers made it through one or both of the wars only to be killed closer to home, I just feel horrible for these families.

As for those of you who only want to exploit the story so that you can joke about it or make witty comments or attempt humor...find something else to joke about.

I used to get calls in the middle of the night, "we're called out, report to unit".

That meant I grabbed my stuff and went to get on a bird. "Eighteen hours, anywhere in the world, fight on arrival."

So, I'd wake my wife and tell her we'd been called out. She would say something like "crap, screw this BS" but was very supportive outside the emotion of the moment. When I left, we did not know if it was training or a combat mission; it could very well be the last time I would see her, given our standard casualty expectations. So off I would go to post, with a few thoughts for my family before going into full-on soldier mode, knowing that I would not be the only one awake all night tonight. I did this on a number of occasions, including dumping our rucks and loading only live ammo for Somalia (the jump was cancelled).



Take it easy.
 
More details will be revealed by the 11 o'clock news here!
They say, did he plan on shooting this people before? And Who enabled him?
I will tune in at 11 o'clcok.
 
Ironic, considering you assumed I was not PC.

Eh, yeah, I guess, good point. Although firstly, the comment was directed at people generally (not personalised to you) and secondly, my assumption is not quite on the same level as religious discrimination.

Anyway, who defines what is a correct interpretation of religion and what isn't?

Good point again, I guess. Perhaps it's easier to define what incorrect or misguided interpretations are than correct ones (seeing as there can be and are multiple, if you assume that 'correct' is relative to the religion itself). In this case, if the shooter did turn out to have done this for religious reasons, it is a fairly safe bet to assume that it is not a correct interpretation. I'm no Islamic scholar, but I know enough to know that that is a clearly incorrect and misguided interpretation, if it so happens to be the case.
 
Obviously it is not "because of religion". It's because he lost his freaking mind. Coulda been a scientologist, postal employee or whatever.

Seems some posting on a forum upon which he EQUATED suicide bombers with jumping on a grenade to save one's comrades might have been part of the push.

What we've got here, is, a simple case of an equatist.

Law enforcement officials said they are trying to confirm if Hasan wrote Internet postings that include his name about suicide bombings and other threats, equating suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the life of fellow soldiers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
Originally Posted by Ecofarm
Pathetic. Suicide attacks the hallmark of bravery? That is complete BS. Suicide attacks are the hallmark of brainwashing. It's not brave. It is weak and sad.

You really think that some guy who suicide bombs a cafe, killing innocent women and children is BRAVE?!
Well, they are putting themselves in a situation where they are more or less guaranteed death. We give our highest military award (the Victoria Cross) to those who do the same. I suspect the only difference is in your opinion of how their motivations differ. And since your opinion is 100% subjective...


In my search, I found this really good thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6696281

And this one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6880799
 
I was at shelley's tap room kicking back a few tonight. Fox was ranting about cnn not covering this, or saying that they would say it was just some whacko (instead of al queda super deep sleeper agent.

CNN was reporting about those killed, wiating for a press conference.

News is weird.

I feel for those who suffered today. I have little doubt the guy just snapped.

Apparently, his family had been being griefed by someone

The bumper sticker reading "Allah is Love" was torn off and the car was keyed.

A police report was filed in the August 16 incident involving Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's Honda, and a neighbor was charged with criminal mischief. But what kind of impact that incident, and possibly others, had on Hasan remains a mystery.
 
Obviously it is not "because of religion". It's because he lost his freaking mind. Coulda been a scientologist, postal employee or whatever.

Seems some posting on a forum upon which he EQUATED suicide bombers with jumping on a grenade to save one's comrades might have been part of the push.

What we've got here, is, a simple case of an equatist.

Yes. What I'm quite sure we have here is conclusive evidence of all 'equatists' being evil and murderous.

You know, I hear that Hitler liked Alsatians. I say we burn Tobias Moretti. :p
 
A police officer and mother of one was hailed a heroine yesterday after it emerged that she almost single handedly ended the massacre at America’s biggest military base.

Kimberly Munley does not look as if she would be much of a match for a heavily armed US soldier on a murderous rampage. But the slightly built 34-year-old civilian officer was first on the scene after Major Nidal Malik Hasan began firing on comrades at Ford Hood in Texas as they prepared to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq. The 39-year-old psychologist killed 13 and left 31 others with serious injuries.

On Thursday afternoon Ms Munley was doing her usual job of directing traffic on the sprawling base. By chance, she and her partner happened to walk past the Soldiers’ Readiness Processing Centre soon after Major Hasan — armed with two handguns — cornered his fellow soldiers. Soldiers who witnessed the rampage described the gunfire as continuous, methodical and well aimed.

Ms Munley succeeded in bringing him down by shooting him four times, even after being hit by a bullet that passed through both her legs, according to witnesses.

Her swift reaction and courage were being praised last night for preventing many more deaths.

“It was an amazing and aggressive performance by this police officer,” said Lieutenant-General Robert Cone, Fort Hood’s commanding officer. “The critical factor here was her quick response to the situation.” ...

Ms Munley, the mother of a three-year-old girl, is in a stable condition, with injuries to the upper leg and thigh. General Cone said her fearless response to the gunman had saved countless lives. Trained in active-response tactics, she rushed into the building where he was shooting, and confronted him directly. Officials confirmed that she had continued firing even after being hit.

General Cone said that Ms Munley’s actions demonstated that an aggressive response to a mass-shooting can save lives. “She walked up and engaged him,” he said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907235.ece
 
It could have been much worse, but for the heroics of Smith and others—like the 19-year-old private who ignored her own wounds, and the diminutive civilian police officer who single-handedly took down Hasan.

"Unfortunately over the past eight years, our Army has been no stranger to tragedy," said a somber Gen. George Casey, Army chief of staff. "But we are an Army that draws strength from adversity. And hearing the stories of courage and heroism that I heard today makes me proud to be the leader of this great Army."...



A loud, popping noise. Moans. The sudden, urgent shout of "Gun!"

Smith poked his head over the cubicle's partition and saw an extraordinary sight: An Army officer with two guns, firing into the crowded room. The 21-year-old Fort Worth native quickly grabbed the civilian worker who'd been helping with his paperwork and forced her under the desk. He lay low for several minutes, waiting for the shooter to run out of ammunition and wishing he, too, had a gun... After the shooter stopped to reload, Smith made a run for it. Pushing two other soldiers in front of him, he made it out of the Soldier Readiness Processing center—only to plunge into the building twice more to help the wounded...

Packed into cubicles with 5-foot-high dividers, the 300 unarmed soldiers were sitting ducks. Those who weren't hit by direct fire were struck by rounds ricocheting off the desks and tile floor. When he decided that Hasan wasn't close to being out of ammo, Smith made a dash for the door. He'd made it outside when he heard cries from within... Smith rushed back inside and found two wounded. He grabbed them by their collars and dragged them outside...

Just over 5 feet tall, Munley is an advanced firearms instructor and civilian member of Fort Hood's special reaction team. She had trained on "active shooter" scenarios after the April 2007 mass shooting at Virginia Tech University. She didn't wait for backup. As she approached the squat, rectangular building, a soldier emerged from a door with a gunman in pursuit. The officer fired, and the uniformed shooter wheeled and charged. Munley was hit at least three times in the exchange—twice through the left leg and once in her right wrist. Hasan was hit four times...

Pfc. Jeffrey Pearsall, 21, from Houston, was waiting outside in the parking lot for Smith. He was talking to his brother on a cell phone when a group of soldiers ran out the door and a window shattered. It was only then that he heard the gunshots. He pulled his pickup truck forward, then hopped out and helped the wounded into the bed. He loaded as many as he could and sped off to the base hospital...

Crouching as he continued to roll tape, Valdez could see windows broken by fleeing victims. A soldier in his Class A dress uniform lay on the grass, a gunshot wound in his back. Soldiers in flowing black graduation robes and purple sashes rushed to help.

Pfc. Amber Bahr, 19, of Random Lake, Wis., tore up her blouse and used it as a tourniquet on a wounded comrade. It was only later that she realized she'd been shot in the back, the bullet exiting her abdomen.

Sgt. Andrew Hagerman, a military police officer, was patrolling a housing area when word of shootings crackled over his radio. As he arrived at the processing center, bloodied soldiers, some shirtless, were already treating each other on the grass outside, ripping pant legs off and tying off wounds. Munley—with whom Hagerman had exchanged small talk on patrols—was being loaded into an ambulance...

Sgt. Howard Appleby, 31, was at the hospital for his regular meeting with a psychiatrist. Appleby, who was born in Jamaica and grew up in New York City, sustained a traumatic brain injury and has post-traumatic stress disorder from a roadside bomb blast during a tour in Iraq. His appointment canceled, Appleby found himself pulling the dead and wounded from ambulances...

Lt. Col. Larry Masullo, an emergency room physician from Farmingdale, N.Y., was heading into a monthly meeting to review new doctors' credentials when he heard of the shootings. "Yeah, OK," he said. "Multiple gunshot wounds. Is this a drill?" In the next hour and a half, he would treat nearly two dozen soldiers.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BQBRSO0&show_article=1

We should have E7+ and O3+ carry concealed on base, as an obligation of duty. Decentralize power; empower.
 
In this case, MB, I think a real agent would have managed far greater casualties. His fundamental ineptness (even given a ******** rationalization capacity) points to inferior indoctrinization. A professional civilian-killer/terrorist would have had explosives and managed to expend all ammo. His weapon choice was weak and his resolve wanting - an amateur.

Of course it is not beyond consideration in general; but in this case, nah... he was a noob weak crybaby bizat.
 
In this case, MB, I think a real agent would have managed far greater casualties. His fundamental ineptness (even given a ******** rationalization capacity) points to inferior indoctrinization. A professional civilian killing/terrorist would have had explosives and managed to expend all ammo. His weapon choice was weak and his resolve wanting, an amateur.

This wasnt known til long after the incident. My question to Form was why would it be absurd to consider it prior to all the information coming out and all we really knew was the shooters name and information indicating he was muslim. I dont think such a supposition to be absurd at all in light of how this first started.

Btw, as the shoe bomber showed, as well as the guy arrested in Washington State trying to enter the country did, those 'professional civilian killing/terrorists' arent necessarily all that professional or good at what they want to do. Thank goodness.
 
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