Should you need to be pass a credit check in order to vote?

[Cutlass]

How are illegal immigrants voting? Don't you have to register to vote? Does anyone have evidence of this actually happening?

They aren't. The Bush administration proved it. But it's still a boogeyman that rightwingers can use to justify laws that make it hard for American citizens to vote.

 

[JohnRM]

Let corporations decide whether or not we can vote?

Why not, they already ultimately dominate our political process, anyway.

 

[kochman]

How are illegal immigrants voting? Don't you have to register to vote? Does anyone have evidence of this actually happening?

Illegals, dead people, etc.
Depends on the state, some have very lenient "ID" processes, because, after all, in 2012 it's too expensive for someone to pay $10 to get their own ID card and prove their identity.

 

[downtown]

Illegals, dead people, etc.
Depends on the state, some have very lenient "ID" processes, because, after all, in 2012 it's too expensive for someone to pay $10 to get their own ID card and prove their identity.

So thats not proof. And even if you had to pay only 10 bucks, thats a poll tax.

 

[JohnRM]

So thats not proof. And even if you had to pay only 10 bucks, thats a poll tax.

No offense to you, but cry me a river. I am sick of people using the lamest excuses for why we can't do things to protect the American people and our political process. We can't regulate firearms, because of the second amendment. We can't restrict political donations, because of the first amendment. We can't require ID to vote, because its a poll tax. Well, then its a poll tax. Then what?

OMFGTAXORS! Seriously, is it that big a deal?

 

[Cutlass]

No offense to you, but cry me a river. I am sick of people using the lamest excuses for why we can't do things to protect the American people and our political process. We can't regulate firearms, because of the second amendment. We can't restrict political donations, because of the first amendment. We can't require ID to vote, because its a poll tax. Well, then its a poll tax. Then what?

OMFGTAXORS! Seriously, is it that big a deal?

There is no threat to the American people or political process from not having these restrictions, because there's not really any significant voter fraud.

If you were actually sick of people using lame excuses to threaten the American people and American voting process, you would be against these ID laws. Because these ID laws is the primary threat to the American people and political process currently going on.

 

[downtown]

We can't require ID to vote, because its a poll tax. Well, then its a poll tax. Then what?

OMFGTAXORS! Seriously, is it that big a deal?

Then it is expressly forbidden by the constitution. Isn't that the entire point?

 

[kochman]

So thats not proof. And even if you had to pay only 10 bucks, thats a poll tax.

I know, but if you receive thousands in benefits each month, I think we can get rid of the concept of a "poll tax".

They find false registration all the time... you need proof? Here you go!

Link to video.

 

[kochman]

There is no threat to the American people or political process from not having these restrictions, because there's not really any significant voter fraud.
If you were actually sick of people using lame excuses to threaten the American people and American voting process, you would be against these ID laws. Because these ID laws is the primary threat to the American people and political process currently going on.

Believe me, the above post is in no way inspired by any agenda
Seriously, it makes ZERO sense. Talk about fearmongering... yeah, asking someone to have their ID in order to vote is insanity. Let's just GIVE them IDs, every citizen, free of charge. Would you be ok with it then? No, you wouldn't.
"Significant"... the goal post will move if you challenge it.
One dead person voting is significant... one person who should vote being denied their vote is significant.

It shouldn't be nearly as hard as this country makes it to clean up voter fraud... but people like Cutlass do everything they can to prevent it. Makes things more interesting, both sides cheat more, to keep up with the other side, etc.

 

[Traitorfish]

As someone mentioned earlier, we are a Constitutional Presidential Democratic Representative Republic, or for short, a Democratic Republic.

Technically you're a Constitutional Presidential Democratic Representative Federal Republic.

 

[Yeekim]

What? What the hell was the publicly announced excuse for instituting such a measure?

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Then it is expressly forbidden by the constitution. Isn't that the entire point?

I think JohnRM is saying, that it is not. Not my country, but if it were - I surely would agree. The constitution is meant to guarantee the freedom of its people. Not to take them hostage.

 

[Nares]

You should need ID to vote.

But it's still a boogeyman that rightwingers can use to justify laws that make it hard for American citizens to vote.

I don't see what's hard about it. It's not like the DMV will deny you an ID, or the USPS deny you a passport, provided you have the appropriate paperwork.

Ah, Republicans. You're the WHOLE reason I'm not one.

Huh?

What kind of nonsense is this?

As a Republican, I can't claim to know what kind of nonsense this is, other than to say that I agree that this is nonsense.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Huh?

My views on many issues actually agree with the Republican platform, yet I can't align myself with such crazies. It's just not something I can do.

 

[Cutlass]

You should need ID to vote.

I don't see what's hard about it. It's not like the DMV will deny you an ID, or the USPS deny you a passport, provided you have the appropriate paperwork.

In theory it should not be hard for everyone to have some form of ID. In practice, there are a lot of efforts at making it too hard for people. Students, for example, get IDs for their current address, even though that is a temporary address. However it may be the legitimate address for voting purposes. These voter suppression acts often invalidate those IDs. Municipal governments, who should issue a resident ID to anyone, often make it expensive or onerous to get one. IDs that should be considered legitimate for any public purpose are often rejected by election officials.

So in theory it should be easy, but it will only be easy if the feds crack down on these municipalities and force them to make it easy.

 

[kochman]

In theory it should not be hard for everyone to have some form of ID. In practice, there are a lot of efforts at making it too hard for people. Students, for example, get IDs for their current address, even though that is a temporary address. However it may be the legitimate address for voting purposes. These voter suppression acts often invalidate those IDs. Municipal governments, who should issue a resident ID to anyone, often make it expensive or onerous to get one. IDs that should be considered legitimate for any public purpose are often rejected by election officials.

So in theory it should be easy, but it will only be easy if the feds crack down on these municipalities and force them to make it easy.

This is absolutely laughable. This student excuse.
That's why we have things like the US Postal Service and absentee ballots. (Of course, then you can't vote twice in the same election... I know that bothers you).

You don't want a real ID because you want their to be fraudulent voting because the fraudulent voting often comes from your side... and then you cry when the other side tries to cancel votes... and often they go to far... it's one of the silliest political games played.
What amazes me is that anyone with a brain supports it.

 

[Yeekim]

What? What the hell was the publicly announced excuse for instituting such a measure?

Anyone feel like clarifying?

 

[Cutlass]

It's in the article linked in the OP. They claim to be "preventing stolen elections". While in actuality they are collaborating in stealing elections.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It doesn't go far enough.

You should also have an IQ of 130 or higher, be able to run 100 metres in under 12 seconds, and know how to properly milk a goat.

Well, 1 out of 3 works for me (my IQ was well above 130, last time I was tested)...

Its an idiotic idea. Ment to disenfranchise the poor and those who have bad credit.

Its the antithesis of the ideas of democracy.

Not to mention it's meant to disenfranchise the very people who were screwed out of their homes, jobs, and savings in the first place. It's another way of blaming and punishing the victim.

Well we could say we are in a republican form of government. You could call it a Democratically elected Republic. I've heard it described as a Banana Republic (I think that was more tongue in cheek ) Also Constitutional Republic. I'm sure we could describe it as a police state too. Talk to certain people and we are in a Presidential Dictatiorship. Some would argue we are in an Oligarchy ruled by the a certain upper class. You can call the United States government a lot of things but it certainly is not a democracy.

An awful lot of Republicans appear to want it to be a theocracy.

 

[AlpsStranger]

The old white Christian farts are attacking universal suffrage again. So surprising

Desperation is a stinky cologne you shriveled up WASPs.