So, was Trump right about "violence on many sides" after all?

[civver_764]

What is your definition of "fascist" and how did you determine that I fall under this definition?

 

[aelf]

Your excusing of right-leaning violence.

 

[Perfection]

Well now you're changing the goalposts. I'll ask again, what specifically is happening to Muslims, nonwhites, and immigrants and who specifically are doing these things?

not changing the goalposts the kkk was part of the Charlottesville rally and presumably they advocated discriminatory policy towards them. I think that's a fair presumption and i don't care to dig through kkk websites to prove it.

 

[civver_764]

not changing the goalposts the kkk was part of the Charlottesville rally and presumably they advocated discriminatory policy towards them. I think that's a fair presumption and i don't care to dig through kkk websites to prove it.

So you admit you have no idea what you're actually opposed to.

Your excusing of right-leaning violence.

Even assuming that I did this (I didn't), one could presumably have any set of political beliefs and do this. I could be an anarcho-communist and hold the same opinion about what happened in Charlottesville, so your definition of fascist seems to be pretty meaningless.

 

[warpus]

What on earth does this have to do with anything. It is incredible how much people circle around to this same point. Like ok...we get it, but we're talking about left wing violence now which is clearly also very bad and also much more prevalent in the current year.

All I see is ninja morons fighting Nazis.

 

[civver_764]

What makes you think that guy is a Nazi?

 

[Perfection]

So you admit you have no idea what you're actually opposed to.

I'm opposed to the kkk because they're a bunch off bigotted jackoffs. Seems straightforward enough.

Are you saying the kkk aren't a bunch of bigotted jackoffs?

 

[civver_764]

I'm opposed to the kkk because they're a bunch off bigotted jackoffs. Seems straightforward enough.

Are you saying the kkk aren't a bunch of bigotted jackoffs?

You said there were people marching around out there trying to marginalize certain groups. When pressed to explain, all you can muster up is "the kkk are bigots".

So ok, let's accept the premise that the KKK are just pure evil and their existence alone is a form of violence. The very fact of wearing a white hood is a form of violence. I'll even throw people wearing swastikas in there too. Now, these were like, what, .01% of the rally attendees? So how do you make the determination that these other people at the rally were trying to marginalize people? You seem very certain of this fact, so it should be easy for you to demonstrate.

 

[aelf]

Even assuming that I did this (I didn't), one could presumably have any set of political beliefs and do this. I could be an anarcho-communist and hold the same opinion about what happened in Charlottesville, so your definition of fascist seems to be pretty meaningless.

You literally excused the guy driving the car into crowd by saying he was provoked (after accusing others of excusing violence, strangely enough). Any teenage anarcho-whatever doing that - and many of them do - would be a fascist.

 

[civver_764]

You literally excused the guy driving the car into crowd by saying he was provoked

That's because his car was literally being attacked by a mob of Antifa counter-protestors. I'm just stating facts here. If it turns out that he intentionally tried to harm people then of course I condemn that.

I would ask though - if he truly intended to kill people why did he ram into the car in front of him instead of driving onto the sidewalk where he could have easily killed dozens?

Any teenage anarcho-whatever doing that - and many of them do - would be a fascist.

Well all I will say is that your definition of fascist is not what most people understand the word "fascist" to mean.

 

[El_Machinae]

You said there were people marching around out there trying to marginalize certain groups. When pressed to explain, all you can muster up is "the kkk are bigots".

So ok, let's accept the premise that the KKK are just pure evil and their existence alone is a form of violence. The very fact of wearing a white hood is a form of violence. I'll even throw people wearing swastikas in there too. Now, these were like, what, .01% of the rally attendees? So how do you make the determination that these other people at the rally were trying to marginalize people? You seem very certain of this fact, so it should be easy for you to demonstrate.

Are you going to stand by the idea that 0.01% of attendees were displaying swastikas? I mean, you're using hyperbole, I get that. But wouldn't you suspect that it was actually about 5% or so? I saw quite a few when I watched that video with the dude with the name. Baked Alaska or something.

 

[civver_764]

Are you going to stand by the idea that 0.01% of attendees were displaying swastikas? I mean, you're using hyperbole, I get that. But wouldn't you suspect that it was actually about 5% or so? I saw quite a few when I watched that video with the dude with the name. Baked Alaska or something.

This is the only picture I have ever seen of a Nazi flag at Unite the Right:

Spoiler :

So if you have other examples please share them, but this dude seems to be a lone wolf here. He also doesn't seem to be with any sort of group, so it could be some kind of false flag infiltrator. And in any case, I don't think it's far fetched to assume that most of the attendees had no idea of his presence there.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The others do, however, seem untroubled by a person carrying that reprehensible symbol in their midst. I wonder what that says.

 

[Ryika]

Yeah, why are they not screeching and running in fear as they are exposed to the power of the most occult of symbols?!

Clearly, they're witches.

 

[W|M]

Yeah, and gained momentum during a time where they were having street battles with communists. Sounds familiar?

Of course the situation was very different, with the poverty from the collapse of the economy, the Treaty of Versailles and all the other stuff.

What elements do you think could lead them from being the small group without public support they are now, to becoming a major faction?

<snip>

The street battles with communists were happening because the Nazis were gaining political momentum. You could also say that the situation in Italy was very different, or in Spain, or in any number of other countries where fascists took power, but in all of those cases, fascists did take power after not being successfully crushed. White supremacy has always been very much around in the US, and the notion that it was crushed or that it's now a fringe position because of some new groups and ideas is ridiculous

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[civver_764]

The others do, however, seem untroubled by a person carrying that reprehensible symbol in their midst. I wonder what that says.

I mean, it's true that people on the alt-right are generally not very skiddish about seeing swastikas. Most of them just think it's a funny way to troll people, and they don't associate it with genocide like most people. It is what it is.

 

[Senethro]

Are they also trolling when they talk about denying the holocaust?

You're not really making a good case in their defense.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So if you have other examples please share them, but this dude seems to be a lone wolf here. He also doesn't seem to be with any sort of group, so it could be some kind of false flag infiltrator. And in any case, I don't think it's far fetched to assume that most of the attendees had no idea of his presence there.

Even in the picture no one seems to have noticed the tiny swastika flag.

I recently learned of the existence of the Othala rune. What's your take on that?

 

[Gori the Grey]

Most of them just think it's a funny way to troll people,

Anyone who regards a symbol of the extermination of six million people as a "funny way to troll people" is despicably callous, wouldn't you agree?

A depravity that deserves more than a shrug emoji, no?

Yeah, why are they not screeching and running in fear as they are exposed to the power of the most occult of symbols?!

Or politely asking the man to leave because they'd prefer not to be seen as tacitly countenancing genocide.

(Only human enslavement, thank you very much).

 

[civver_764]

Anyone who regards a symbol of the extermination of six million people as a "funny way to troll people" is despicably callous, wouldn't you agree?

No I don't, but I'm afraid if I explain why I disagree I'll probably be infracted so all I'll say is they don't see it a symbol of extermination. They just see it as a sort of "forbidden" symbol which naturally creates a sort of counter-culture around its use, especially amongst teenagers.

I recently learned of the existence of the Othala rune. What's your take on that?

I don't really know anything about that, sorry.

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