Superpowers of the next century!

The next ten years are crucial to the development of the 21st century, as many nations will be under governments which were elected or otherwise formed in a distinctly 21st-century milieu, relatively uninfluenced by the concerns of the 1990s.

If things keep going the way they're going, military power will become increasingly irrelevant. Already we see that total war between great powers is simply not an option, because in any total war situation, everybody loses (i.e. nuclear war). Sub-total conventional war is simply too costly, and the opportunity cost is far too high; why should China spend billions attacking the US and then spending even more billions trying to rebuild whatever it is was destroyed when they could make still more billions by not going to war and just selling the Yankees gewgaws and laptops?

The fact is, the more the Great Powers trade with one another, the more they limit their options to just economic and "soft" power (political influence, clout in international institutions, etc.)--which favors Europe, with its well-developed economy, good international reputation, and large bloc of nations (read: UN and WTO votes) which will probably continue to act as individual nations for as long as humanly possible. In addition, it is the only power that is physically expanding (though this may or may not mean anything).

The US is also well-positioned for such a world. Among other things, it is the chief catalyst of the globalization which drives this integration. For another, it can usually count on European support thanks to the commonality of US and EU interests and the resurgence of Atlanticism with the political trifecta of Merkel, Sarkozy, and Blair/Brown (they're both very pro-American, though the latter doesn't care for the Iraq War); given the relative popularity of Merkel, the fact that Sarkozy must stay for the next five years (barring anything weird), and the sympathy of the only realistic PM in the next ten years (David Cameron) to Atlanticism, I think that Atlanticism is here to stay.

India could also do well in this system. Nations generally listen to India because they want to, not because they're afraid (USA, China) or have nothing better to do (Europe, at the moment), on account of the image India projects as a Third World success story. It has positioned itself as a heart of trade and commerce, shunning dirty industrialization for God-knows-what. It has strong trade links to all major players, as well as to Africa.

China, which would traditionally be considered the most likely to succeed, has to tread carefully in order to avoid becoming the next Japan--touted and then floundering. It has military capacity, but, as explained above, it cannot pursue its current strategy of economic integration without limiting its military options. As the Chinese economy expands, it relies increasingly on foreign investment, much of which comes from the areas where China would seek to use its military--the West, Japan, and Taiwan. Taiwan in particular has built itself what is essentially a mile-high wall by providing such insanely large quantities of cash to Chinese businesses, and by making itself such a ready and willing supplier of starting funds to the mainland. The one country that China would like to invade is ironically the one country China cannot invade; it's too lucrative. Thus China must seek to expand its sphere through economic means. However, they will find it difficult to do so in their region: South Korea, Japan, and Thailand are already firmly under American influence; North Korea nobody wants to deal with; Laos is poor; Vietnam is generally pissed off at China. Thus they must expand to Africa--not a bad choice, really, it's the only territory that could go either way--but they must contend with the West, which doesn't want China to get anything, and India, which has established trade links with Africa from the sixties and seventies, established as part of Nehru's grand strategy for the Non-Aligned Movement. In short, China has the obvious advantages, but may find itself unable to take advantage of them.
 
This is in a theoretical world where the United States doesn't exist, right? Because last time I checked, the Russians haven't been in the lead of anything since Sputnik.
I did not say Russia is in the lead in anything. If you read my posts carefully you would have noted I said the USA is the sole Superpower in the World.(See post 51) Russia is a Military Superpower, in other words it is the only country in the world that can more or less compete with America militarywise.

@Lockesdonkey It seems you know what you are talking about, Can you expand your thoughts on Russia ?
 
@Lockesdonkey: I don't think China will remain dependent on foreign investment for much longer. It's other asian countries (and beyond Asia) that are becoming dependent on trade with China. The way things are going china won't need to invade Taiwan to take it over...
India has the advantage of being less feared than China, true, but that is because nobody yet takes India's ambitions seriously - and with good reason, I believe. It can't even control the totality of its own territory, it's fully surrounded by hostile neighbors, and its government has a history of failing to achieve the goals it sets.
 
I agree with Lockesdonkey that "If things keep going the way they're going, military power will become increasingly irrelevant." Reading all those posts it seems that the three dominating factors for being a future super power are military, ressources and population. In my opinion this is too much based on "hard" facts.
I think global influence will be more and more transported by three other "soft" factors:
1. economic power, and i mean more the power of knowledge, technology, innovation and financial influence than ressource-export based economic power like the recent russian economic renaissance.
2. cultural values: I don't want to sound like the "clash of civilizations"-Huntingdon, but a World-Super-Power can only have influence if it can provide ideas, social and cultural values. In the Cold War this was a huge factor. I can imagine various types of such values, the religious ideas being at the moment the most dynamic ones in some world regions.
3. Will and capability to solve the real, most dramatic world problems: The future Super Power must deal with the consequences of climate change, with the down sides of globalization, with third world poverty and with the conflicts that rise from the factors 1 and 2.
All mentioned super powers have deficits in one or more of these factors.
 
Great Powers have always had economic power to some degree or another, for the simple reason that huge armies require horrendous upkeeps, ie a large economy backing it up. The exceptions are rare and instructive.

And economic Power without a military arm to back it up, well, history never has favored those very much. To boldly state that that is about to change, it may be very Star Trek, but not very real-politiek. Economically linked nations may be less inclined to go to war with each other. That is competely different from won't. Might has an ugly tendency to make itself right.

And it's often the threat of military intervention where a military shines politically as Power. Far more usefull than actual intervention.
 
I think the key limiting factor will be the energy requirements to project military power beyond regional status to superpower. Without major technological revolutions in energy, the world is likely to become a patchwork of condensed regional powers. Superpowers will potentially hold onto their power, but only by being very frugal about where they spend it.

Their economy is growing at a simply amazing pace - about 12% last year, I believe. Thanks to our trade deficit, pretty soon they'll have all the money and infrastructure they need; we are effectively subsidizing their growth.
 
@Lockesdonkey: I don't think China will remain dependent on foreign investment for much longer. It's other asian countries (and beyond Asia) that are becoming dependent on trade with China. The way things are going china won't need to invade Taiwan to take it over...

While it is true that China will become decreasingly dependent on foreign investment over time, the importance of this fact is negated by two factors: one, that no nation can completely be free of foreign investment, even if it wanted to be, and two, that even after the outside world ceases to become critical to China's internal infrastructure building (which won't happen for at least another ten years), the outside world is still a market for China. When was the last time Wal-Mart or Kmart or Target invaded your house to steal your money? It's much less costly to just sell you things.

India has the advantage of being less feared than China, true, but that is because nobody yet takes India's ambitions seriously - and with good reason, I believe. It can't even control the totality of its own territory, it's fully surrounded by hostile neighbors, and its government has a history of failing to achieve the goals it sets.

Hmm. I'll analyze this point by point:

1. "India can't control its territory." India is also more diverse than China. Most of China, at least, has a common cultural identity, and literally everyone learns a single standard language at school. China also does not have to deal with federalism or democracy, both of which are in effect in India (the former out of necessity, the latter out of good fortune). In essence, the situations of India and China are not comparable. Furthermore, the parts of India that India cannot control are either involved in border disputes (the most important, Kashmir, may be with Pakistan, but others are with China), and it must be noted that India administers substantial chunks of land that China claims for itself. In addition, the parts of India that India cannot control are rather small and for the most part economically irrelevant (for the moment). India could probably enforce control over these lands soon, but is more interested in the general betterment of the country.

2. "India is surrounded by hostile neighbors." By which you mean Pakistan and China, neither of which desires war with India. India could take Pakistan in a fight any day of the week, and their dispute is mostly posturing. China and India might go to war, but both would be reluctant--they're part of the same economic supply chains. Beyond that, who else? Bangladesh? In addition to the fact that Bangladesh loves India, half the Bangladeshi army is in the Congo or Liberia or other such places on UN peacekeeping operations. Nepal? That would be like Canada invading the US. Bhutan? Myanmar? Don't make me laugh. The hostility of India's neighbors is irrelevant; they can't do anything because in the two areas where it matters--war and economic transport--they are impotent (India has the perfectly serviceable Arabian Sea to get its oil if Pakistan ever decides it would be cool to tempt fate and close the pipelines).

3. "India fails to achieve goals." Cite your sources, dear friend. Sure, they may not meet the claims they make, but you have to remember--India is a democracy. Either the people making these statements have to get elected or their bosses do. As anyone who lives in the US of A knows, politicians tend to get carried away in their statements.

On the other hand, India has shown a remarkable ability to meet long-term strategic goals. And by long term, I mean very long term; many of the plans of which I speak were laid down by Nehru and Nehru's planners forty to fifty years ago and are only now coming to fruition. India spent years slowly but carefully building on the infrastructure left by the British Raj, and encouraging native industry (Tata comes to mind). My mother, who grew up in southern Africa shortly after independence, often talks about how in the 1970s, many Zambians would rather buy a Tata car than a European car, because any idiot could fix the Tata and the Tata just plain lasted longer. It ran crappily, sure, but it ran forever. To say the least, this made India look very good in Africa.

Beyond that, the more recent strategies--such as the liberalization instituted by Manmohan Singh back when he was Finance Minister--appear to have worked as well or better than planned.

@Lockesdonkey It seems you know what you are talking about, Can you expand your thoughts on Russia ?

Russia is a wild card. The other powers have ideas about what they want to do--not Russia. Vladimir Putin--and by extension, the person he picks to replace him--is a chess player. He sees this as a grand game, where you go for the advantage, move the way the wind is blowing. America successful and popular? Go down to Crawford and "bare your soul" to Shrub. America stuck in the mud in a country even you can barely find on the map? Announce that America's policy has been terrible. Europeans smiling at you? Let the gas flow. Europeans helping your neighbors wiggle out of Rodina's grasp? Well, I suppose that Berliners will now mean frozen jelly doughnut. That's how it works. Russia fundamentally follows a "tit-for-tat" strategy, responding the the event immediately previous, avoiding initiating plays; however, its eye is always on the future, preparing the best strategy for each and every possible situation six, seven, even eight moves down the line.
 
1. "India can't control its territory." India is also more diverse than China. Most of China, at least, has a common cultural identity, and literally everyone learns a single standard language at school. China also does not have to deal with federalism or democracy, both of which are in effect in India (the former out of necessity, the latter out of good fortune). In essence, the situations of India and China are not comparable. Furthermore, the parts of India that India cannot control are either involved in border disputes (the most important, Kashmir, may be with Pakistan, but others are with China), and it must be noted that India administers substantial chunks of land that China claims for itself. In addition, the parts of India that India cannot control are rather small and for the most part economically irrelevant (for the moment). India could probably enforce control over these lands soon, but is more interested in the general betterment of the country.
Also wanted to adress this, China has just as much a problem with parts of its territory as Russia has with Chechnya and India has with Kashmir. China has, for reasons I can't comprehend insisted on holding on to its territorial possesions in Tibet and Uyghurstan. While problems in Chechnya and Kashmir are calming down and clearing up, things have gotten significantly worse in Uyghurstan, especially as Islamic Fundementalism is getting involved in the struggle, as opposed to the tradition Turkic/Uyghur Nationalism, and therefor an increase in violence, funding, supplies, and training.
 
The safest bets are today's economical superpowers , Eu and Usa. However China has several technical advantages that also make them a potential superpower . There is some political uncertainty however , if they want to battle corruption and if they believe in industrialization and how easy will it be. The political situation in China may be a problem or it could be improved in the future , for the time being i believe it will be a problem.
 
one, that no nation can completely be free of foreign investment, even if it wanted to be, and two, that even after the outside world ceases to become critical to China's internal infrastructure building (which won't happen for at least another ten years), the outside world is still a market for China. When was the last time Wal-Mart or Kmart or Target invaded your house to steal your money? It's much less costly to just sell you things.

Yes, but that kind of dependence works both ways. China won't have to invade (or even threaten to) any country to bring pressure to bear upon it. The balance it that China is not getting increasingly dependent on other countries, quite the opposite.


The hostility of India's neighbors is irrelevant; they can't do anything because in the two areas where it matters--war and economic transport--they are impotent (India has the perfectly serviceable Arabian Sea to get its oil if Pakistan ever decides it would be cool to tempt fate and close the pipelines).

Oil, certainly. Natural gas, no.
And, surrounded by hostile neighbors, India cannot do what traditionally defines a "superpower", project power upon other countries. Not counting Bangladesh, Nepal and Butan.
Also, India cannot take on Pakistan in any war any longer - not if it values have its bigger cities standing.

3. "India fails to achieve goals." Cite your sources, dear friend. Sure, they may not meet the claims they make, but you have to remember--India is a democracy. Either the people making these statements have to get elected or their bosses do.
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On the other hand, India has shown a remarkable ability to meet long-term strategic goals. And by long term, I mean very long term; many of the plans of which I speak were laid down by Nehru and Nehru's planners forty to fifty years ago and are only now coming to fruition. India spent years slowly but carefully building on the infrastructure left by the British Raj, and encouraging native industry (Tata comes to mind).

Ok, I must agree with you here.
 
I don´t fully agree that military power will not be so necesary. Wars between mayor powers are defintely something of the past, such a war would not be only a risk of mutual nuclear destruction but also an economic suicide. War between mayor powers and "poor countries" is probably going to be less frequent. But Rouge or failed states like Iran, North Korea and Somalia are still going to exist at least for the next 40-70 Years. The use of modern and future military forces not more to figth wars but to act as a deterrent, carry precision strikes against small concrete objectives (terrorist, WMD productions facilities, etcc...) and to act in emergenci cases like Katrina or Sumatras Tsunami.

What is going to be definitely true is that ALL nations will be more dependant of foreing invests and markets than ever. This is one of the most important reasons why international relations are changing dramaticaly.

If I have to choose who is going to be the next superpower I would bet for India. India is as oposed to China a democracy, and really ads to the stability of a country. In a democratic sistem there are clear rules about how things should work. Today´s chinese leaders seem to know what they are doing but can the same be said for the next ones, in a system in which the will of the party is rule nobody knows what the next ruler could do.
India produces two times more university graduates than Europe, this doesn´t seem surprisingly until you realize that India has two times more population than Europe but is considered a third world country. This means that the percentage of university graduates in India is slighly less than in Europe. While
China has a scarcity of well prepared proffesionals, India is training a great number of Doctors, engineers, Scientiss, Bussinesmen, Lawyers, etc...
A consequence of this is that while China´s economic grow relies heavily on low-value products that require great quantities of workers, India is going directly to a high tech and services economy based on areas such as computer science, pharmaceutic and others.
 
If I have to choose who is going to be the next superpower I would bet for India. India is as oposed to China a democracy, and really ads to the stability of a country.

You know, the opposite might well be true in some cases. As an example, the chinese may have been luckier in 1990 than the russians.

India produces two times more university graduates than Europe, this doesn´t seem surprisingly until you realize that India has two times more population than Europe but is considered a third world country. This means that the percentage of university graduates in India is slighly less than in Europe. While
China has a scarcity of well prepared proffesionals, India is training a great number of Doctors, engineers, Scientiss, Bussinesmen, Lawyers, etc...

I don't know where you get your statistics, but those are very wrong. From the UNESCO database, 2004 data:

School age population - tertiary education, total:
China: 101684177
India: 100778666
US: 20499567
United Kingdom: 3737727
France: 3856521

Enrolment in total tertiary. Public and private. Full and part time. Total:
China: 19417044
India: 11852936
US: 16900471
United Kingdom: 2247441
France: 2160300
North America and Western Europe: 32870246

As you can see, the percentage of university graduates (over the total population) in India is much less than in Europe (11% vs. ~60%). China has already more tertiary education students than either Western Europe or North America, India is quite behind.

Considering this data, then if indeed China has a scarcity of professionals and India doesn't this leads me to believe that the chinese have a more technology-oriented economy than India.
 
Except that China, for better or for worse, has committed itself to old-fashioned industrialization, at first picking up the slack from Europe and the American Midwest, then pulling it from their hands with great force. They want to be the workshop of the world, and the world is content to let them achieve that goal. India has other ideas. The prevalence of English nudged India in the direction of helping Americans and British out in long-distance services; the IITs' heavy emphasis on engineering and technology, and the high-quality professionals they produce, means that large numbers of Indians are very attractive to Western companies, who then take them to work in the US, Canada, or Europe. And while many stay in the West, a large chunk either return to India or start trans-Pacific businesses hiring younger Indian engineers.

In addition, India wishes to be a financial center, whereas China, which sees itself as not needing one (Hong Kong!) is not as invested in the idea.
 
I think we need to take Africa more seriously as a major power in a generation or two. Historically, Africa was so sparsely populated, that there was nothing for an empire builder to conquer. That is no longer true.

The untapped resources have been cited a couple times. The political disunity as well. What has not been mentioned, and is critical in several emerging situations, particularly India and China, is the education base. I think it was Confusius that said, "If you plan for a century, educate children." South Africa in particular has excellent science and engineering.

For central and southern Africa to emerge as an economic power, several things have to happen: viable trade across borders; availability of education to the equatorial population; evolution of some world class manufacturing companies; settling of tribal frictions; mobility to jobs, evolution of a single business language. None of these are over the top, and a couple are in sight already. South African cell phones are seen deep into the jungle these days. Trucks traverse most of the continent. English is already everyone's second language of choice.

One area that may become politically important is the role of Christianity. Africa is more Christian than Europe now, and much more devout. It is a commonality that spans both tribes and countries. Rivalries, nationalistic and tribal, are still a very serious problem in a lot of local situations, but the sides can talk through their churches. Those we talk to, we trade with. Those we trade with, we acculturate to. Money is the great leveler.

Can you imagine the effect of a pan-African monetary system? Since the Euro has been a clear success, it might happen.

J
 
I don't see Africa as likely to produce a native Great Power anytime soon; the nations are still too poor, too weak, and have a massive disease problem. However, South Africa is already taking on the mantle of a global Middle Power, and Nigeria and Kenya might do so as well. If the dominant power in Africa adopts a strategy of offshore balancing, they may use these nations as the executors of their African grand strategy and give them some say in the shape of that strategy.
 
I don't see Africa as likely to produce a native Great Power anytime soon; the nations are still too poor, too weak, and have a massive disease problem. However, South Africa is already taking on the mantle of a global Middle Power, and Nigeria and Kenya might do so as well. If the dominant power in Africa adopts a strategy of offshore balancing, they may use these nations as the executors of their African grand strategy and give them some say in the shape of that strategy.
Demographically, culturally, histrocially and even religiously as it was pointed out, African peoples are well-positioned to submit Europe within the century. At least Western Europe. No one has commented my post and the fact, obvious to me, that a civilization is going to finally disappear sooner that most think. It is highly predictable that Europe will again divide in 2, again West vs East (roughly), this time the East being the only part faithfull to its origins and civilization while the west will be under always increasing influence of Africa, and islam. I do not believe any resistance to such trend will succeed, though they will happen.

So yes definitely, Africa is going to shape the world of this century more than ever since a very, very long time. We are already seeing signs of Western European sovereignity slowly shifting towards Africa. This is going to be more and more visible in culture, music, political polls, migration and industrial policies, and religion.
 
You know, the opposite might well be true in some cases. As an example, the chinese may have been luckier in 1990 than the russians.



I don't know where you get your statistics, but those are very wrong. From the UNESCO database, 2004 data:

School age population - tertiary education, total:
China: 101684177
India: 100778666
US: 20499567
United Kingdom: 3737727
France: 3856521

Enrolment in total tertiary. Public and private. Full and part time. Total:
China: 19417044
India: 11852936
US: 16900471
United Kingdom: 2247441
France: 2160300
North America and Western Europe: 32870246

As you can see, the percentage of university graduates (over the total population) in India is much less than in Europe (11% vs. ~60%). China has already more tertiary education students than either Western Europe or North America, India is quite behind.

Considering this data, then if indeed China has a scarcity of professionals and India doesn't this leads me to believe that the chinese have a more technology-oriented economy than India.


Sorry, you may be rigth, I probably confused the numbers I heard on the radio once.
But even this dates reflect this reality, maybe not so drastic, that India has a great number of University students for a country that is suposed to be very poor. It has a number that is very near to the US and China.
It is still true however that the Indian economy is moving towards a high tech based economy.

About Russia, you are rigth that it didn´t went so good, but we are speaking about a country that had to do a drastic change from a comunism dictatorship to a democratic free market society. India is a democracy since it gained independence in 1947. The greatest change they have to face is to move from an state controled economic system to a free market one.
 
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