The last Antisemitic Events

[Commodore]

"Palestinians shoot soldiers but Israelis shoot children"?

That's what I took away from that picture as well.

 

[Traitorfish]

Also, hang on, I've just noticed that Domen treats "Muslims", "Arabs" and "Palestinian militants" as interchangeable categories, which isn't even remotely true.

 

[Domen]

I definitely treat "Arabs" and "Palestinians" as one, because Palestinians are Arabs too.

They are Arabs in the same sense as Poles and Russians, etc., are Slavic.

But it seems, that Pan-Arabism is much stronger than Pan-Slavism - so we can treat all Arabs as "one".

Especially in respect of policies towards the state of Israel, all Arabs seem to be very united.

But "Muslims" are of course not the same. For example Turks are Muslims, but not Arabs.

And, I of course do not treat all Arabs as "militants" (not sure why you think so).

"Palestinians shoot soldiers but Israelis shoot children"?

Rather, Palestinians use children as soldiers, while Israeli soldiers protect children from terrorists.

 

[Ajidica]

I definitely treat "Arabs" and "Palestinians" as one, because Palestinians are Arabs too.

They are Arabs in the same sense as Poles and Russians, etc., are Slavic.

So associating 'Arab' and 'Palestinian' is an utterly useless term in terms of politics than?

But it seems, that Pan-Arabism is much stronger than Pan-Slavism - so we can treat all Arabs as "one".

Pan-Arabism has been dead since the mid 70's, and was being wheeled to the morgue since the collapse of the UAR and the split of the Syrian and Egyptian Baath parties.

Especially in respect of policies towards the state of Israel, all Arabs seem to be very united.

Not really. The most you can get is that they aren't on the best of terms but their specific reactions to Israel and Palestine are all their own.

Rather, Palestinians use children as soldiers, while Israeli soldiers protect children from terrorists.

Domen, we are talking about a very touchy, delicate, and detailed political situation, please for the love of God be more specific than 'Palestinians' with no political or time identifier given. Which group and when are you alleging does the action occur.

 

[Domen]

Ajidica, did you bother to watch the videos I posted?

Maybe comment on them first (do you think they say the truth or not), and then we will discuss Palestinian children, etc.

 

[Ajidica]

If you have something important to say it, you say it. Given the text walls you are able to produce whenever Poland is mentioned I have complete faith in your ability to articulate a position yourself. Indeed, my faith in you here is far greater than my faith in a video entitled 'Debunking the Palestinian Wall of Lies' or similar nonsense.

 

[Tahuti]

Indeed, my faith in you here is far greater than my faith in a video entitled 'Debunking the Palestinian Wall of Lies' or similar nonsense.

If the video was named 'Debunking the Israeli Wall of Lies', nobody would have noticed.

 

[Borachio]

"Palestinians shoot soldiers but Israelis shoot children"?

Equally, "Palestinians hide behind children but Israelis shield them"?

I mean, either neither characterization seems true, or both seem equally valid.

There's just insufficient evidence to determine the truth of the matter, imo.

 

[Ajidica]

If the video was named 'Debunking the Israeli Wall of Lies', nobody would have noticed.

I would have noticed and ignored the video. There is enough going on in the region that we don't need to make stuff up to 'spice it up'.

 

[Traitorfish]

"Israeli Wall of Lies" would hold my attention very slightly longer, but only while I tried to work it out if it was supposed to be a pun referencing the West Bank wall.

 

[Phrossack]

I definitely treat "Arabs" and "Palestinians" as one, because Palestinians are Arabs too.

They are Arabs in the same sense as Poles and Russians, etc., are Slavic.

But it seems, that Pan-Arabism is much stronger than Pan-Slavism - so we can treat all Arabs as "one".

No we can't. Arab states have long fought one another (Gulf War, for example), and "Arab" has a wide range of definitions. Some Lebanese (like the Guardians of the Cedars) reject the label "Arab" and call themselves Phoenicians.

Especially in respect of policies towards the state of Israel, all Arabs seem to be very united.

What about Egypt? Or Jordan? Or Kuwait?

 

[Dostayer]

War between leaders not nations


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[Tahuti]

No we can't. Arab states have long fought one another (Gulf War, for example), and "Arab" has a wide range of definitions. Some Lebanese (like the Guardians of the Cedars) reject the label "Arab" and call themselves Phoenicians.

If the Lebanese would start consider themselves Phoenician, Syrians Syrian etc. , it would certainly give them less ideological ammunition to be at war with Israel. Actually, aren't the Phoenicianist groups you have named Pro-Israeli?

What about Egypt? Or Jordan? Or Kuwait?

I tought Kuwait refused to have relatiosn with Israel, unlike the other two. Though Jordan and Egypt still occasionally engage in "human rights attacks" on Israel, similar to how the West treats Russia.

 

[Phrossack]

If the Lebanese would start consider themselves Phoenician, Syrians Syrian etc. , it would certainly give them less ideological ammunition to be at war with Israel. Actually, aren't the Phoenicianist groups you have named Pro-Israeli?

Yeah, not all Lebanese are anti-Israeli, and some Christian or Christian-leaning groups see the Israelis as their enemies' enemies.

I tought Kuwait refused to have relatiosn with Israel, unlike the other two. Though Jordan and Egypt still occasionally engage in "human rights attacks" on Israel, similar to how the West treats Russia.

Let's not bring Russia into this--that's another thread or two or ten. But compared to some people warning about pan-Arabism and all Arabs (a very vague term) wanting to destroy Israel, Jordanian and Egyptian qualms with Israeli policies towards Palestinians seems pretty tame.

 

[Dostayer]

Most of these ancient are long extinct, mostly by the Arabian conquest in the 7th century.
The only survivors for these ancient cultures are the Christian in the region including the Assyrian and the Egyptian Coptic (Both of these groups are escaping from the states that they are in, Iraq and Egypt)


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[Tahuti]

But compared to some people warning about pan-Arabism and all Arabs (a very vague term) wanting to destroy Israel, Jordanian and Egyptian qualms with Israeli policies towards Palestinians seems pretty tame.

That is true, and the peace may be less fragile than it seems. However, there is a certain ideological commitment to be hostile to Israel for the sake of pan-Arabism.

Most of these ancient are long extinct, mostly by the Arabian conquest in the 7th century.
The only survivors for these ancient cultures are the Christian in the region including the Assyrian and the Egyptian Coptic (Both of these groups are escaping from the states that they are in, Iraq and Egypt)

Modern Syrians and Iraqis are descendents of the Assyrians, as are the Egyptians. They just Arabised and forgot their original identity. Which should be a reminder what will happen to Jewish heritage under Arab rule. The Palestinians may very well be Arabised Hebrews.

 

[useless]

In regards to the usage of civilians as human shields:

 

[Traitorfish]

Modern Syrians and Iraqis are descendents of the Assyrians, as are the Egyptians. They just Arabised and forgot their original identity. Which should be a reminder what will happen to Jewish heritage under Arab rule. The Palestinians may very well be Arabised Hebrews.

Well, the Palestinians are Palestinians. They probably have a lot of Hebrew ancestors if you go back far enough, but that doesn't actually make them "Arabised Hebrews". That's not ethnicity works.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, the Palestinians are Palestinians. They probably have a lot of Hebrew ancestors if you go back far enough, but that doesn't actually make them "Arabised Hebrews". That's not ethnicity works.

Well, I do not dispute your point here either. However, many of the Arab countries outside the Arabian peninsula did follow a certain pattern of converting to Islam from the previous religion followed by Arabisation. The ideology of Pan-Arabism certainly motivated Arab countries to acts of belligerence towards non-Arab states, particularly Israel and Iran, because they view Arabised regions such as Palestine and Southwestern Iran as integral parts of Greater Arabia.

To be fair, the Roman Empire and various Greek states that existed in the Middle-East did their fair share as well in decimating previous Middle-Eastern identities.

 

[Ajidica]

To be fair, the Roman Empire and various Greek states that existed in the Middle-East did their fair share as well in decimating previous Middle-Eastern identities.

I was under the impression that the Roman administration didn't really care what you identified as so long as you did as they said and paid taxes.