[RD] The threat to American Democracy

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Perhaps the larger point I want to make is that, in my adult life ever since 2000, it seems the Dems always say the GOP cannot ever win an election fairly anyway.
In any case, I'm only commenting on how ridiculous this "election denier" smear is. And it is a smear.

It's pretty clear given the degree of disenfranchisement and voter suppression in the US, any sufficiently close election is at least at risk of being decisively skewed by the sum impact of those things. Skewed in the direction of the hegemonic ethnic group who systemically face less barriers to voting. It goes to an extent that if America were another country on one of several other continents, the results would be reported in foreign correspondent stories as "marred by irregularities" and "criticised by civil society observers". That's different to all elections being won unfairly obviously. But within a margin, maybe 5% or so in some cases where there's a particularly high amount of skewing, results are deeply uncertain to reflect the result you'd get in a regular democratic system.
 
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Gore also conceded on election night and then withdrew his concession (which, I don't even know if you can do or not, but whatever.
This is misleading. Gore called Bush to personally concede on 11/8/00, the Wednesday right after the Tuesday election. Then the (by now famous) Florida election irregularities surfaced, so Gore called back to retract his concession until those issues were decided by the Courts. Once they were & Bush officially declared the winner, Gore made a formal concession speech on 12/13/00.

 

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Fear isn't the problem. We should become mobilized by fear to solve the elephant in the room (climate change) instead of being complacent.

Instead people's inner anxieties are being manipulated and re-directed towards each other for profit.

You can't suppress fear (except w copious amount of drugs which of course Americans are taking), you can try to ignore it but then it's turns into free floating anxiety that can be captured by the right manipulator.

Climate Change will be solved naturally through the principles of action and reaction. The non anthropocentric adapts, it evolves, it reacts. The anthropocentric reacts in turn, especially when personal interests are on the line.

Nature simply does not die it rather becomes more perverse, hostile, and inhibitive towards human life if too much is taken. The humans then in turn adapt their societies out of material pragmatism to the conditions at hand in order to survive.
 

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Climate Change will be solved naturally through the principles of action and reaction. The non anthropocentric adapts, it evolves, it reacts. The anthropocentric reacts in turn, especially when personal interests are on the line.

Nature simply does not die it rather becomes more perverse, hostile, and inhibitive towards human life if too much is taken. The humans then in turn adapt their societies out of material pragmatism to the conditions at hand in order to survive.
Nah.

Nature does simply die. You're being mystic about this.
 

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In any case, I'm only commenting on how ridiculous this "election denier" smear is. And it is a smear.

On the contrary, it is a polite euphemism for "traitor", much like "racially charged" for "racist".
 

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Nah.

Nature does simply die. You're being mystic about this.
Life dies. Nature also means like Mars or Venus, or the Moon. I think you're confusing nature and wildlife.
 

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Rocks don't die but that's because they don't live. So "nature does not die" can't be a reference to them.
 

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If marshlands are drained, they are gone, and so are that which lived in them. If fish population structure is radically (and permanently) altered as a result of overfishing, you can call it a change but there will be things that are gone.

Every extinction is a complete death of something.

This mystical junk of Nature Endures, Life Finds A Way, is stupid and fails to place appropriate on value things that are being destroyed and damaged. Copium is a stupid word from extremely stupid people, but thats what it is as well.
 

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This mystical junk of Nature Endures, Life Finds A Way, is stupid

It also stands as a sort of self-rebuttal insofar as it is being used to say we shouldn't make any social changes to deal with global warming. Don't worry, man, Mother Nature will restore the balance after we confiscate the property of the rich :)
 

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Climate Change will be solved naturally through the principles of action and reaction. The non anthropocentric adapts, it evolves, it reacts. The anthropocentric reacts in turn, especially when personal interests are on the line.

Nature simply does not die it rather becomes more perverse, hostile, and inhibitive towards human life if too much is taken. The humans then in turn adapt their societies out of material pragmatism to the conditions at hand in order to survive.
Humans are not guaranteed to survive. We're not more special than the 99.99% of other species that have come and gone.
 

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And even if we had some supernatural assurance that a pocket of humanity would survive somewhere that's hardly the optimal future
 

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Humans are not guaranteed to survive. We're not more special than the 99.99% of other species that have come and gone.
We sure AF are!
 

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