The War on Weed

[Tahuti]

"Voters don't behave the way I want them to, so they must be stupid!"

More like "Elections do not yield the results those that are eligible to vote want it to be, so that's a bad sign."

 

[Angst]

Monsanto does have a reputation as being one of the most evil corporations on the planet. As far as I am concerned, it's reputation is deserved.

Completely agree c_h. Just wanted to post in the thread to recognize your statement.

 

[MjM]

Weed is awesome.

 

[Farm Boy]

Completely agree c_h. Just wanted to post in the thread to recognize your statement.

Any particular reason other than some combination of:

CHEMICALS!
GMOs!
HUGE MULTINATIONAL!
NUBULOUS CANCER FEARS!
FOOD!
ARE BEES ALRIGHT?!!
EURO AG PROTECTIONISM PROAGANDA!
AUUUGH!

I keep thinking there's more and I must just keep forgetting it.

 

[Narz]

Good points FarmBoy, a toast of RoundUp to you (you drink first ).

 

[Farm Boy]

Good points FarmBoy, a toast of RoundUp to you (you drink first ).

At what concentration, and for that matter, how many toasts? The concentration I put on PPE to handle from the bottles, the concentration in the sprayer, the concentration on the plants immediately after spraying, the concentration at the end of the day, or instead days later? The answer is going to range from "Why don't you go drink some acid from a car battery," to "Why yes, I'll share oatmeal and a glass of juice with you."

 

[ArneHD]

Though it is a PR move, Monsanto have a pretty strong case, Wikipedia suggests that it isn't very carcinogenic.

 

[Narz]

"Don't worry guys, the crap we spray on your food isn't that carcinogenic."

 

[Berzerker]

if it can kill a weed, I doubt its benign for us

 

[Narz]

It's a 'safe' poison, it only kills you a little bit & slowly.

 

[Farm Boy]

The materials commonly used in household paints and in plate service usually aren't that carcinogenic. Lots of stuff isn't that carcinogenic, like a morning walk in the sun. The sun kills some weeds too, yaknow. The dose makes the poison in addition to the target.

But don't let me get in the way of the nebulous boogie fears city boy. Not surrounded by anything that carcinogenic in the capital of the world, I'm sure.

 

[Narz]

Oh believe me I feel like I'm losing weeks of my life everytime I bike thru midtown breathing all the truck/bus fumes.

I figured the next response to my post would be along the lines of "Well everything can kill you, its all about the dose, didn't you hear about the girl who ODed on water?"

I mostly try to mess with organic because it tastes better. Might be placebo, never double-blind tested myself though I'm 100% sure I could tell the difference between store bought & homegrown though, especially tomatoes.

Regarding household paints, I would never paint my own home (if I ever buy/build one) with regular paint. They have low VOC paint, more expensive but the new paint smell on regular paint is awful.

 

[Farm Boy]

I wouldn't tell you about anyone who OD'd on water, the health hazards of water are vanishingly small*. Much less make a thread about it, it'd go in the Weird News thread.

*Well, aside from drowning. And pneumonia, and that sort of thing. But we're back into dosage and target again now, aren't we? Which is kinda the point. Roundup, despite being so enticingly created to KILL THINGS by a THE MOST EVIL CORPORATION, is frustrating. It just isn't that particularly toxic. Yes, there are exposure levels that will kill you. But it's non toxic enough you kind of have to work at getting exposed to it at demonstrably harmful levels. You know, like people who mix up applications from concentration. There's a reason PPE exists.

 

[Narz]

To each their own. It seems like, in this day & age, we should be able to figure out home & work products that have zero chance of killing us/cancerifying us. I don't keep any poisons in my house that I have to worry about my kid drinking (not that I worry about these things, do kids over 2 years old really often decide its a good idea to eat the Ajax?).

I do have to admit the more toxic detergents do seem to do a better job.

 

[Farm Boy]

It seems like, in this day & age, we should be able to figure out home & work products that have zero chance of killing us/cancerifying us.

Boy, that will be nice when we get there, should we get there. Perhaps somewhat ironically, trying to walk that path of progress is one of the principle reasons Roundup is so appealing vs its alternatives.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I believe that we should declare war on tobacco, but tha

Greetings citizens! Care for a Marlboro?

 

[Sonereal]

Anybody who believes leftist conspiracy theories don't exist anymore should check out this thread. Mosanto hatred is based on one part "evil giant corporation1!!oine" and three parts ignorance.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm not sure that anything here amounts to a "conspiracy theory". The argument is that a corporation is behaving in a malevolent and self-interested way, which is really pretty ordinary and requires no conspiracy or even a lot of deception, so the debate is really just about whether it accurately describes what's going on in this case.

 

[Sonereal]

Does it require debate? Everybody acts in a self-interested way.

Malevolence doesn't matter either. As far as it matters, we should be asking if what Mosanto does is legal. If it is or isn't, why or why not. What we shouldn't be doing is calling companies evil because they offend out sensibilities.

 

[Labtec600]

The title refers only to a tragic irony - that millions of people are put in cages for a weed while the biggest weed killer on the planet and political contributor may be killing us too.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/24/us-monsanto-herbicide-idUSKBN0MK2GF20150324

Should I have any reasonable doubt that the cancer epidemic is related to the chemicals in and on our food?

What a corrupt system we've allowed

I always hear this cited fact that millions of people are in jail because of smoking marijuana but have never seen the source of this.