All I'm saying is that the pretense of justice is better than the open embrace of savagery. Why is that controversial? I'd happily choose a system based on evil principles but benevolent in practice over the opposite.
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All I'm saying is that the pretense of justice is better than the open embrace of savagery. Why is that controversial? I'd happily choose a system based on evil principles but benevolent in practice over the opposite.
That's been the intent behind so much of what Christians do.
"Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
They ought to applaud abortion then. All those babies get the fast track to Heaven.
Nah. That's why they kill the babies after they're born. Gotta have the baptism first. Once baptized, they serve no further purpose alive.
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Maybe that would be the compromise to end the abortion debate in the USA.
Child is born, baptized and then euthanized.
Oh, I have an idea !
Is there actually a rule that kids have to be born before the baptism ?
If a fetus has personhood you can baptize it in the womb and then have an abortion.
Problem solved !
IIRC Mormons baptize dead people all the time. So, yes, your plan might work.
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Random Thing: Back before Vatican2, my mom remembers her and the rest of the girls in her Sunday School saying Hail Marys in order to 'save the souls of the heathen African babies'.
In the Netherlands, until the mid 60ies, babies that died before being baptised, were not allowed to be buried at the Catholic cemetery.
They were put away in some corner outside, causing often much grief.
Tradition was to baptise the second or third Sunday after birth.
They were put away in some corner outside, causing often much grief.
Tradition was to baptise the second or third Sunday after birth.
H4run
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Isn't Netherlands predominantly Protestant? It's also quite surprising the Bruder in my Catholic high-school many of them were Dutch, and also the missionary activity and some of the Cathoilic key figure in Indonesia, like Franz Magnes Suseno also Dutch. Can you shed some light about this?
There is "the Netherlands" North of the river Rhine and South of the most southern branch of the river Rhine.
South is mostly Catholic (except the coastal Province Zeeland) and North mostly Protestant.
Has also a lot to do with the freedom war against the Spanish around 1600, and also with the North not being occupied by the Romans (the river Rhine the natural border) => no romanised core for catholic evangelising.
On the map below of 1849, you can see in red Protestant and green Catholic, before industrialistion labor mobility started to mix people (to some degree, but not that much).
The green Catholic enclaves in the north-west were rural backward areas during that 1600 war and left behind in the Protestant wave.
The green Catholic enclaves in the East show how strong the connection of these areas was with neigboring (now German) areas East of them.
The Dutch Catholic Church was in general very active in missionary efforts.
Well, no. They have to die of natural causes. Like preventable diseases, malnutrition, gunshots, lead poisoning. You know, acts of God.
Traitorfish
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It's controversial because normal people rate political systems on their ability to produce tangibly just outcomes, rather than the philosophical satisfaction they offer to observers.
Can we add drowning and exposure to that list? Is the natural causes requirement a Catholic or Protestant addition?
That's not really true for modern societies.
I'm sure the babies didn't mind.
That depends whether they have a soul already.
Whether you believe that.
Their family did.
Well, unlike may other religious traditions, this one was only "harmful" to actual believers.
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And to all those Jewish babies the Catholic church kidnapped.
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