Deeper analysis is particulary useful to people using phrases like "anything other" becouse it can point out to them that reality is never one-sided no matter how much wishing they invest into that concept...
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Trump explained - because you all are blind
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EgonSpengler
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Here's PolitiFact's take on that.
Overall scoring of all of the 13,524 statements they have checked, over a 10-year period:
True................ 15.8%
Mostly True..... 19.5%
Half True......... 20.0%
Mostly False... 16.7%
False.............. 18.9%
Pants on Fire... 9.1%
Overall scoring of Donald Trump's statements. I'm not sure if this is since taking office, or if it goes back further than that.
True.................... 5%
Mostly True....... 12%
Half True........... 15%
Mostly False..... 21%
False................ 32%
Pants on Fire... 15%
PolitiFact is run by the Tampa Bay Times, a newspaper I'm unfamiliar with. As to their general leanings, Wikipedia notes that (a) "the site has been both praised and criticized by independent observers, conservatives and liberals alike", and (b) recipients of their annual Lie of the Year Award have included Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Wikipedia also notes that PolitiFact was awarded a Pulitzer Prize in 2009.
tbh, political opinions aside, I think there is a demonstrable lack of knowledge regarding the words pathological, delusional and dementia......(just read this one) bipolar psychosis????
....all very entertaining
The colloquial uses of pathological and dementia, as being used in this thread, ain't bad.
It's horrible that we cannot separate the pathological lies from the lies based on incuriosity. But they're both commonly available
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LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias.
as I said, political opinions/ideology aside.....colloquial use of medical terminology is garbage, or how can we rate "if you like your doctor you can keep him?"....there are plenty more "whataboutisms" and cherry picked bombs that can be lobbed from one side to another, but if it makes you feel better about yourself...
...everybody wants to be right....
Zkribbler
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Meuller is empaneling a grand jury. 
Traitorfish
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I'm not sure that any methodology which considers bias only in a leftward or rightward lean is valid. It's entirely plausible for a communist newspaper to be fair and objective while maintaining a far-left editorial position, and absolutely expected for a moderate newspaper to be ferociously biased in favour of the status quo.
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Firstly he gets hot babes cause he has money; not that there's anything wrong with that to a certain extent, good for him. His own golf course, yeah they're nice courses good for him. He's a Best Selling Author because he sold enough books due to his fame and became one, it doesn't make him a great author as he is neither credible, insightful or has a strong vocabulary.
I like to smoke what you're smoking that you came up with that whole thing about him being a colossus and a cat
The mainstream media to a large extent is an absolute joke; so you're right about things being fake. The Russia-hack scandal is totally bogus and so far fetched, the sources are a joke and it's all for ratings because people are eating it up since they dislike Trump so much, when he's not the source of the problems in America. As well, the Corporate Democrats keep playing up the Russia-Trump thing because they got nothing to say to their voters so they keep saying Trump is bad in order to garner support because they're useless and they're only use in the political world is to enrich themselves by serving their extremely wealthy donors. All this Trump Russia crap and talking about "Covfefe" and meaningless crap like that about Trump is just to distract everyone while the in charge Republicans and their ruling elites enact horrible policies that allow them to profit even more and stick us with the bill.
I like to smoke what you're smoking that you came up with that whole thing about him being a colossus and a cat
The mainstream media to a large extent is an absolute joke; so you're right about things being fake. The Russia-hack scandal is totally bogus and so far fetched, the sources are a joke and it's all for ratings because people are eating it up since they dislike Trump so much, when he's not the source of the problems in America. As well, the Corporate Democrats keep playing up the Russia-Trump thing because they got nothing to say to their voters so they keep saying Trump is bad in order to garner support because they're useless and they're only use in the political world is to enrich themselves by serving their extremely wealthy donors. All this Trump Russia crap and talking about "Covfefe" and meaningless crap like that about Trump is just to distract everyone while the in charge Republicans and their ruling elites enact horrible policies that allow them to profit even more and stick us with the bill.
Meuller is empaneling a grand jury.
"US senators from both parties are seeking to protect the special counsel Robert Mueller from being fired by Donald Trump, marking the first bipartisan bid by lawmakers to impose a check on the president against the backdrop of the Russia investigation"
A new bipartisan game ?
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To be clear - I use "dementia" in terms of the actual condition. As in, I believe that Donald Trump likely is suffering from actual, diagnosable dementia.
Dementia sufferers obviously exhibit a wide range of symptoms, but cognitive decline is pretty universal, and Trump's cognitive decline from where he was as a younger man, particularly in the 1980s, is startling when you see old clips of him. Age alone cannot possibly explain it; and if it ain't dementia, it's surely presenting as such.
My wife works with dementia patients on a daily basis, and she agrees he exhibits clear signs of it.
Dementia sufferers obviously exhibit a wide range of symptoms, but cognitive decline is pretty universal, and Trump's cognitive decline from where he was as a younger man, particularly in the 1980s, is startling when you see old clips of him. Age alone cannot possibly explain it; and if it ain't dementia, it's surely presenting as such.
My wife works with dementia patients on a daily basis, and she agrees he exhibits clear signs of it.
Yeah, she better...
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It's hard to tell though. He has been held somewhat distant from reality his entire life. I just read a thing from a guy who went to school with him. At age 12 Little Donnie Trump was playing baseball and "knocked one out of the park" with the bases loaded. According to him. According to everyone else who was there he hit a blooper that was dropped by the shortstop who then booted the ball allowing three runs to score. Trump still tells this ...ummm...exaggeration? But the point is that he was telling it exactly the same way immediately after the game and basically just grinding down anyone who disagreed with him. How does dementia differ from this discontinuity with reality that he has lived with for decades?
Zkribbler
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Dementia prevents a person from perceiving reality.
Lying is purposely misrepresenting what the person is perceiving.
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Dementia prevents a person from perceiving reality.
Lying is purposely misrepresenting what the person is perceiving.
Do you have any evidence that Little Donnie Dingbat perceived anything other than "I knocked it outta the park"? Was he suffering from dementia at thirteen?
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Reagan, I think, was certainly showing some signs of dementia.
Trump doesn't seem comparable, imo.
Narcissist seems to fit him perfectly, and he doesn't look to me like he's suffering from dementia.
Mind you, I try to look at him as little as possible. So I well may be wrong.
Trump doesn't seem comparable, imo.
Narcissist seems to fit him perfectly, and he doesn't look to me like he's suffering from dementia.
Mind you, I try to look at him as little as possible. So I well may be wrong.
Thorgalaeg
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Megalomaniacs tend to exaggerate his sporting achievements. Franco killed 6000+ partridges in a single day.
It seems like @metalhead is going with the former. I'm going with the latter... as in I think he can be clinically diagnosed as a pathological liar. @EgonSpengler posted some fact-check stats for us... but as we've already seen, to a Trump supporter, that's just dismissed as some combination of liberal commie globalist SJW Fake News, or similar...Dementia prevents a person from perceiving reality.
Lying is purposely misrepresenting what the person is perceiving.
I read two interesting articles on Vice and WaPo. The Vice article is written by someone who grew up with a parent who was a liar. My favorurite insight of the article is that with Trump, there won't be any change or redemption. Anyway here it is for anyone interested:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xpb8x/what-my-father-the-pathological-liar-taught-me-about-trump
The WaPo article is about Trump facing a deposition and being caught in all his lies under oath by skilled attorneys:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/?utm_term=.519cd0d12939
FWIW my wife is an MD (not a psychiatrist) and she agrees that he's a pathological liar.
Nice article
But how many people really care that he is a liar ?
As long as he is their liar.... and gets the things done they believe in.... or more practical: battles for the things they believe in.
The post-truth society getting nasty side effects now, full blown up to the level of the Presidency, was not invented by Trump.... he is just riding the waves.
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He can be both, you know.
I don't believe his total lack of concern for truth or facts is related to dementia. He has surely been that way his entire life. Dementia doesn't change who you are, not at first, but it does tend to magnify some pre-existing personality traits and reduce others, in part because it tends to reduce inhibition overall.
I think he is worse now, in terms of caring about the truth, being able to discern the truth, or in desiring to connect his opinions to facts. But yes, he has always been that way. I'm talking more about the fact that 30 years ago he came across like an educated adult, while now he comes across like a truculent fifth grader.
I don't believe his total lack of concern for truth or facts is related to dementia. He has surely been that way his entire life. Dementia doesn't change who you are, not at first, but it does tend to magnify some pre-existing personality traits and reduce others, in part because it tends to reduce inhibition overall.
I think he is worse now, in terms of caring about the truth, being able to discern the truth, or in desiring to connect his opinions to facts. But yes, he has always been that way. I'm talking more about the fact that 30 years ago he came across like an educated adult, while now he comes across like a truculent fifth grader.
I think Trump would be nuts to do anything other than plead the Fifth for the entire deposition. To literally not say anything. Guilt aside, his attorneys MUST know that the guy cannot remain coherent under questioning, and will commit perjury multiple times.
Politically, I might not even crow about that. A person suffering from dementia would be well-advised to not testify under oath. The law and the prosecutors cannot tell the difference between someone misremembering and someone lying.
Now, I think he's a serial liar, obviously. But I'd accept the dementia rationale for not saying anything. I'm not so eager for him to commit perjury that I'd want to do that. He'll fall without a perjury charge, anyway.
Politically, I might not even crow about that. A person suffering from dementia would be well-advised to not testify under oath. The law and the prosecutors cannot tell the difference between someone misremembering and someone lying.
Now, I think he's a serial liar, obviously. But I'd accept the dementia rationale for not saying anything. I'm not so eager for him to commit perjury that I'd want to do that. He'll fall without a perjury charge, anyway.
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