UK Politics - Weeny, Weedy, Weaky

[aelf]

Or actually elucidate wisely instead of leaving breadcrumbs that point in a particular direction and then denying that you came from that direction.

 

[Traitorfish]

As ever Manfred, if you would express an opinion of your own instead of simply being exclusively against the opinions of particular people, you might not receive accusations of bad faith.

Believing in something leaves you vulnerable to being wrong, which is unconscionable. It's better to "just ask questions".

 

[AmazonQueen]

That's a rather backwards way of looking at it. Just because A can lead to B, it doesn't mean that all cases of B have to have been caused by A.

If you're going to say that absolutely no-one and nothing has any say over the life of a child other than the woman who bore it, then obviously if said woman then drowns her baby in a river there's not much of a complaint you can raise about it. So yes it jusitifes infanticide, as the very case that was linked to clearly shows.

That's not the case anybody made in the past though.
Infanticde was common. To the extent it was justified it was on economic grounds. Female children were more likely to be victims than male children.
edit: we don't have to look that recent, just google Victorian infanticide

 

[Takhisis]

Canada should just for gavelkind and make Harry the King of Canada.

You can go full Merovingian and just have all of the Queen's descendants inherit little bits of Crown territories and dependencies scattered across the remains of the Empire.

I think Prince William is going to be a fitting King to the UK.

The first casualty is losing his brother as a brother.
That's the spirit !
After all... the preservation of a noble house, royal house and the nr 1 himself is always prio nr 1.

The man's already taken his post as Prince of Wales so seriously that he supports Wales not only at rugby but also at football.

That's not the case anybody made in the past though.
Infanticde was common. To the extent it was justified it was on economic grounds. Female children were more likely to be victims than male children.
edit: we don't have to look that recent, just google Victorian infanticide

Just look at selective gender-based abortions in single-child China resulting in a demographic imbalance with men outnumbering women.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Or actually elucidate wisely instead of leaving breadcrumbs that point in a particular direction and then denying that you came from that direction.

Or you could just not insist in pigeonholing people into extreme positions because you can't be bothered looking for nuance or following a train of thought. Maybe.

That's not the case anybody made in the past though.

It is literally the case made in the case that was linked to.

 

[AmazonQueen]

It is literally the case made in the case that was linked to.

That was a conclusion reached by the jury in the case, it wasn't why the women killed her child.
If you want to prevent child abandonment and/or infanticide then I'd suggest things like easy access to contraception, generous paternity leave and child care provision, and medical support for families (especially with things like post-natal depression) will have more effect than how the courts treat people desperate enough to commit such acts.

 

[innonimatu]

Smells like bad faith whereby support for women's right to abort is being equated to condoning infanticide.

One could also ask what's so magical about birth, huh? The child gets a soul when it is born or what? And yet there is always some magical date arbitrarily set, usually before birth.

It was always about convenience, shrouded in philosophical and moral excuses. Just as with the killing of the demented elderly, or the generally incapable of supporting themselves being socially dumped to die. The cruel side of humans. Now it's me being cynical. But then again here I was on the losing side on past debates about abortion and "euthanasia"...

Why is this relevant to UK politics? Is abortion a current political issue there?

If you want to prevent child abandonment and/or infanticide then I'd suggest things like easy access to contraception, generous paternity leave and child care provision, and medical support for families (especially with things like post-natal depression) will have more effect than how the courts treat people desperate enough to commit such acts.

That's true. And this is relevant I guess, social support for people in need has been gradually reduced over the past decade or so, I've read.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I have long been of the opinion that Her Majesty might have, in considering her
succession considered splitting her realms: Canada, Australia, New Zealand
& Pitcairn Islands, UK and the rest, assigning one to each of her four children.

You want an Ausxit, NZxit, Canxit ?
Because thats how you breakup the commonwealth, we will TAKE BACK CONTROL of our Borders and decided Who comes to our country, you can right sod off.

 

[AmazonQueen]

One could also ask what's so magical about birth, huh? The child gets a soul when it is born or what? And yet there is always some magical date arbitrarily set, usually before birth.

It was always about convenience, shrouded in philosophical and moral excuses. Just as with the killing of the demented elderly, or the generally incapable of supporting themselves being socially dumped to die. The cruel side of humans. Now it's me being cynical. But then again here I was on the losing side on past debates about abortion and "euthanasia"...

Why is this relevant to UK politics? Is abortion a current political issue there?



That's true. And this is relevant I guess, social support for people in need has been gradually reduced over the past decade or so, I've read.

If ones cynical its always about convenience, I'm not sure why you'd think its only about current arguments about abortion and euthanasia, so far as I'm aware they have never ended
edit: I don't think its particularly relevant to modern UK politics but its important to me. I'll always argue about it.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Let's stay away from abortion and other divisive topics unless they become relevant here. Thank you.

 

[EnglishEdward]

You want an Ausxit, NZxit, Canxit ?
Because thats how you breakup the commonwealth, we will TAKE BACK CONTROL of our Borders and decided Who comes to our country, you can right sod off.

Your post, apart from being rude, is incorrect in three respects.

(1) Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth's realms is not synonymous with the Commonwealth in that there
are many commonwealth coutries such as India that do not recognise Her Majesty as their Queen.
Whether Australia adopts Prince Charles as King in due course, someone else or becomes a republic
is a quite separable decision from whether Australia remains or stays in the Commonwealth.

(2) Regarding migration from the the UK; Australia, Canada and New Zealand, those countries already have
control of their borders in that there is no right for UK citizens to emigrate from the UK to those countries.

(3) Democratic self determination and independence has never been about deporting well settled immigrants.

 

[Arakhor]

(3) Democratic self determination and independence has never been about deporting well settled immigrants.

You'd think so, but someone should tell the Home Office that.

 

[Hrothbern]

You'd think so, but someone should tell the Home Office that.

You can tell that
But will it have any effect ?
Is Home Office still a functioning department ?
Or a total chaos from employee reductions, employee changes, micromanagement from politics leading to legal inconsistencies, order & counter-order, etc, etc.
Quite some issues the past years indicating a disfunctional status.

 

[Hrothbern]

You want an Ausxit, NZxit, Canxit ?

The first one was Amexit

Here an article (of today ) with 12 Americans upsetting the British Monarchy.

Starting with Jefferson ofc, and Meghan the last.

https://www.politico.eu/article/12-...y-meghan-markle-jeffrey-epstein-royal-family/

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That was a conclusion reached by the jury in the case, it wasn't why the women killed her child.
If you want to prevent child abandonment and/or infanticide then I'd suggest things like easy access to contraception, generous paternity leave and child care provision, and medical support for families (especially with things like post-natal depression) will have more effect than how the courts treat people desperate enough to commit such acts.

I'm not... concerned about a rise in infanticide. You're completely missing my point.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The first one was Amexit

Here an article (of today ) with 12 Americans upsetting the British Monarchy.

Starting with Jefferson ofc, and Meghan the last.

https://www.politico.eu/article/12-...y-meghan-markle-jeffrey-epstein-royal-family/

I read that article. Most entertaining. And their reward is THE DONALD.

 

[aelf]

I'm not... concerned about a rise in infanticide. You're completely missing my point.

If no one ever gets your point then maybe you should stop blaming us.

 

[Hrothbern]

We better stop talking about infanticide I think
That abortus had to do with the politics in NI and the DUP fitting the thread and it will not be over as well that discussion in NI.

Sorry I brought this side step up looking at how it went.

 

[Pwnzerfaust]

So I'd be interested in hearing some UKians' opinions on this matter: "Manchester sex abuse: Police 'should be prosecuted'" [BBC] | "Asian grooming gang free to roam streets because officers were told to 'find other ethnicities' to investigate, detective claims" [Telegraph] | "Prosecute officers, says Greater Manchester abuse whistleblower" [Guardian]

Hope that's an acceptable spread of media biases.

To me, this seems... Beyond absurd. Why would they want to let these grooming gangs continue what they were doing, just because they were a particular ethnicity?

 

[Arakhor]

Neither of the non-Telegraph links suggest that it was because of the men's ethnicity.