USA Foreign Policy

[r16]

and while passing , let me say the intense-stuff-to-come suits Trump's way of conducting business , back room deals with people . American companies will keep all the contracts and no one will questioning them and stuff because Muslim countries are run by "Muslims" and the truthfulness of those "Muslims" can be gauged by their opposition to Zionists ___ . The blank to be filled with any slur that's current in the Middle East .

 

[Broken_Erika]

US ready for North Korea talks without preconditions, says Tillerson

Soooo, how long till Trumps next twitter defacation, and how long until Tillerson gets fired?

 

[Takhisis]

What is Trump going to deface on Twitter next?

 

[Broken_Erika]

What is Trump going to deface on Twitter next?

Tillerson's attempt at diplomacy?

 

[Takhisis]

I think he'll be aiming at home right now.

Very quietly it is reported that some 'Murican and NKorean officials are to meet in Thailand shortly…

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I think he'll be aiming at home right now.

Very quietly it is reported that some 'Murican and NKorean officials are to meet in Thailand shortly…

Meh, I'm actually pretty confident that Trump will fire Rex Tillerson. He's certainly ginned up the rumor mill on the subject and his public stance on North Korea can be succinctly summed up as: "**** You North Korea". I think he will stop any talks that don't include complete and total North Korean capitulation.

I would like to be proven wrong though.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Meh, I'm actually pretty confident that Trump will fire Rex Tillerson. He's certainly ginned up the rumor mill on the subject and his public stance on North Korea can be succinctly summed up as: "**** You North Korea". I think he will stop any talks that don't include complete and total North Korean capitulation.

I would like to be proven wrong though.

And North Korea won't accept any talks that include the complete and total South Korean, American and UN Capitulation......

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I'm guessing you forgot a crucial 'don't' before the word include in that sentence

If so, yeah, you're right. But that doesn't excuse the US for acting like a child throwing a tantrum either.

 

[onejayhawk]

And North Korea won't accept any talks that don't include the complete and total South Korean, American and UN Capitulation......

No. N Korea will not accept any talks that do not include a way to save face. It's a lower threshhold.

J

 

[Takhisis]

And North Korea won't accept any talks that include the complete and total South Korean, American and UN Capitulation......

Given that the ultimate aim of the North Korean monarchy is self-preservation, their definition of ‘capitulation’, i.e. stopping the threats of regime change, is markedly different from the US' definition of ‘capitulation’, i.e. regime change.

 

[Lexicus]

No. N Korea will not accept any talks that do not include a way to save face. It's a lower threshhold.

I must be having a stroke, because J actually said something I agree with...

 

[Takhisis]

So now the Palestinian Authority no longer recognises the US of A as a mediator. They ask the UN to take over the peace process.

“We do not accept any role of the United States in the political process from now on, because it is completely biased towards Israel.”​

A completely inconsequential consequence of a merely symbolic gesture, of course.

The same can be said of the current calls for the OIC as a block to formally recognise Palestine as a sovereign state.

 

[Broken_Erika]

No. N Korea will not accept any talks that do not include a way to save face. It's a lower threshhold.

J

Well, that was the way under Kim Jong Il, but with his spawn The Kimsbury Doughboy in charge...........

 

[onejayhawk]

Well, that was the way under Kim Jong Il, but with his spawn The Kimsbury Doughboy in charge...........

Same song, new verse.

J

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, that was the way under Kim Jong Il, but with his spawn The Kimsbury Doughboy in charge...........

How dare you insult the great Kim

 

[onejayhawk]

For better or worse, President Trump gave a major speech with significant foreign policy implications today. The buzz-word seems to be principled realism which is code for realpolitik
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-national-security-policy-speech-2017-12
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...emphasize-economic-competitiveness/959934001/
https://amgreatness.com/2017/12/18/trumps-doctrine-principled-realism-comes-to-the-fore/

He spoke at length about security and economic growth. To no one's surprise he started with the Wall, moving on to other immigration issue. However, given equal time were economic concerns and trade. President Trump boasted of withdrawing from TPP and the Paris Accords and declared many existing trade agreements disastrous. He cited other nation's need to contribute to defense spending. He called Russia and China rival powers. Underlying it is a 60 page plan submitted earlier this week.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf

This is a much more aggressive and combative stance than recent administrations have taken. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said in a statement following Trump's speech that his department will implement Trump's, "vision by leading freer growth policies in the international financial institutions and advancing fundamental principles of free, fair and reciprocal trade." Trump has been shunning the multinational agreements common since WW II in favor of single nation agreements.

J

 

[Commodore]

How dare you insult the great Kim

It's not an insult. Haven't you heard? Kimsbury Doughboy is his rap name.

 

[Berzerker]

Russia and China condemned the NK people to their wretched existence

 

[hobbsyoyo]

For better or worse, President Trump gave a major speech with significant foreign policy implications today. The buzz-word seems to be principled realism which is code for realpolitik
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-national-security-policy-speech-2017-12
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...emphasize-economic-competitiveness/959934001/
https://amgreatness.com/2017/12/18/trumps-doctrine-principled-realism-comes-to-the-fore/

He spoke at length about security and economic growth. To no one's surprise he started with the Wall, moving on to other immigration issue. However, given equal time were economic concerns and trade. President Trump boasted of withdrawing from TPP and the Paris Accords and declared many existing trade agreements disastrous. He cited other nation's need to contribute to defense spending. He called Russia and China rival powers. Underlying it is a 60 page plan submitted earlier this week.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf

This is a much more aggressive and combative stance than recent administrations have taken. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said in a statement following Trump's speech that his department will implement Trump's, "vision by leading freer growth policies in the international financial institutions and advancing fundamental principles of free, fair and reciprocal trade." Trump has been shunning the multinational agreements common since WW II in favor of single nation agreements.

J

More combative? Previous administrations have slapped sanctions on Russia and taken China to court over trade disputes. Trump can flap his gums all he wants but that's all he's doing.

And let's not overlook the real point of yesterday's speech-

After literally years of him talking up how awesome Russia and Putin are, now that he's under investigation for colluding with them Fox news needed some new soundbites they could run anytime someone brings up how much he loves Putin.

"Look at how tough Trump is on Russia. This whole collusion thing is nonsense, just look at his speech"

Russia and China condemned the NK people to their wretched existence

The US had a helping hand over the years. International sanctions can be devastating.

 

[Lexicus]

The US had a helping hand over the years. International sanctions can be devastating.

The Koreans were ready to set up the PRK, People's Republic of Korea, which would have been pretty awesome, a democratic socialist state that covered all of Korea, until the US set up its own military government, and dissolved the PRK provisional government in the south. The Soviets quickly infiltrated and co-opted the PRK government in the north and replaced it with a Stalinist puppet state. Blaming the whole thing on Russia and China is silly.