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I for one have no idea what Jehoshua is talking about. His claim that liberalism was a religion was such a rhethorical suicide I just automatically blanked the rest of his posts' contents.
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Which simply shows you have poor appreciation for allegory.
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This reminds me, when I read Descartes' Metaphysical Meditations, I was extremely amused by the fact which later my philosophy teacher confirmed, that his demonstration of the existence of God, which is that existence of God is self evident, necessary and inevitable since we exist, is only valid if you believe that there is a God in the first place.
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If you guys want a discussion that isn't hampered by OT people (which everyone seems to hate for some reason) why don't you make a Social Group? Because I'm fairly sure Bird isn't going to tolerate it here much longer...
Also, I don't get what is so bad about nations being based on your philosophical/political opinions. I wouldn't want to do it all the time, but I have often made nations that parody certain political positions I disagree with, such as the Orwellian Australia that I use often in IOTs. And Dommy's nation in MADIOT, although I don't really agree with his position that much, was a hilarious piece of satire. I know IOTs aren't NESes, but I still don't understand.
Also, I don't get what is so bad about nations being based on your philosophical/political opinions. I wouldn't want to do it all the time, but I have often made nations that parody certain political positions I disagree with, such as the Orwellian Australia that I use often in IOTs. And Dommy's nation in MADIOT, although I don't really agree with his position that much, was a hilarious piece of satire. I know IOTs aren't NESes, but I still don't understand.
I can't pretend to have read all of this, but I must say that I don't believe that Jehoshua understands what allegory is. It isn't simply saying that one thing is something that it isn't; that's called "not the truth". Allegory is an important literary construct, the sort of thing you get in The Faerie Queene, or something like that, where what you say is intentionally representative of something else, which one cannot maintain to be anything to do with calling liberalism a religion, which it is neither literally, allegorically, metaphorically, or in any other way.
I also think that Jehoshua's point would be better made in plain English without all the obfuscations. I mean, to be honest, "A metaphysical constant, a first principle rather. This being because if the universe spontaneously emerged into existence it would ultimately be entirely meaningless and utterly unintelligible (a mass of contingent and finite phenomena without a non-contingent first principle, effectively infinite regress, even if you add a multiverse to the mix)" is so obfuscated as to mean... well, much less than you would have expected given the number of characters in the sentence. What exactly do you mean by saying that god is a metaphysical constant rather than a physical one? and what is this meaning or intellegibility that our world has that a differently random one would not possess? Are you basically just restating the cosmological argument there?
As for Bird tolerating such a discussion or otherwise, I would say it was directly relevant to NESing and possibly quite necessary, seeing as it is potentially interesting background to how Jehoshua acts as the Pope in CI and the Grandpatriarch in N3S. (It's also quite polite, and, as BJ says, probably more interesting than such discussions in OT.) If he thinks it's a bad idea, fair enough, but no-one is obliged to agree; if he thinks it's against the rules, he will undoubtedly tell us positively to stop.
I also think that Jehoshua's point would be better made in plain English without all the obfuscations. I mean, to be honest, "A metaphysical constant, a first principle rather. This being because if the universe spontaneously emerged into existence it would ultimately be entirely meaningless and utterly unintelligible (a mass of contingent and finite phenomena without a non-contingent first principle, effectively infinite regress, even if you add a multiverse to the mix)" is so obfuscated as to mean... well, much less than you would have expected given the number of characters in the sentence. What exactly do you mean by saying that god is a metaphysical constant rather than a physical one? and what is this meaning or intellegibility that our world has that a differently random one would not possess? Are you basically just restating the cosmological argument there?
As for Bird tolerating such a discussion or otherwise, I would say it was directly relevant to NESing and possibly quite necessary, seeing as it is potentially interesting background to how Jehoshua acts as the Pope in CI and the Grandpatriarch in N3S. (It's also quite polite, and, as BJ says, probably more interesting than such discussions in OT.) If he thinks it's a bad idea, fair enough, but no-one is obliged to agree; if he thinks it's against the rules, he will undoubtedly tell us positively to stop.
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Huh. Was pretty much the opposite for me. That kind of thing is what made me decide to actually read and try to understand him.
Moderator Action: Maybe I wasn't forceful enough when I said that the aforementioned discussion should be moved to OT. I have deleted posts related to it and see that I have not finished the job.
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I forgot to tell you that I am going to be changing Iolha into a unitary republic with freedom of religion, state capitalism and a professional standing army.
@christos, no one understands your proposition that "democracy is a foreign concept [to 'non-westerners']" because it is historically untrue.
That discussion is just fine for WWW.
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And with that, one of the great debates of our time hath ended...
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The difference is between making a nation with some of your ideas and beliefs, and making a nation solely to express your ideas and beliefs. Things can get nasty and personal AMAZINGLY quickly.
The difference is between making a nation with some of your ideas and beliefs, and making a nation solely to express your ideas and beliefs. Things can get nasty and personal AMAZINGLY quickly.
das
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Care to cite examples or at least be more specific? It doesn't seem like a bad idea to me so long as you keep yourself to some basic standards of artistic integrity in the process.
#nes is a reasonable environment for such discussions.
Are you connecting to warrensofthought.com?
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#nes is likewise not working for me.
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That's too bad.
Are you also trying it via mibbit?
It's still at warrensofthought.com, the same server as fiftychat if that helps
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Ah I get it now.
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Practically all I do with the Grandpatriarch is build religious infrastructure, and manage evangelisation campaigns. My relationship to the CI papacy has already been discussed in the Capto Iugulum background thread.
This should address NC's statement as well.
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I'm inputting that into the server tab, but whenever I press connect nothing happens, and then about 30 seconds later it times out.
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