2020 US Election (Part One)

[Old Hippy]

Really? The current President is straight out of a sit-com cartoon.

No he is a real person and the President... no matter how hard people find reality to be

 

[Lexicus]

No he is a real person and the President... no matter how hard people find reality to be

And you don't support him...totally don't support him...in fact you kinda hate him...

 

[Old Hippy]

And you don't support him...totally don't support him...in fact you kinda hate him...

its about accepting reality as it is.He is the POTUS of the USA ... until the next one. While I live in a country that has Universal health care and a minimum wage... and hopefully a left wing Government again next year.
Hating someone is just a waste of time and energy. that could be better spent making sure the Unions and the Australian Labor Party (in my case) of which I am members of, have policies that help the working class and disadvantaged have job security and policies that encourage governments to concentrate on making their own constituents prosperous safe healthy and well educated rather than saying its such a good thing that all the manufacturing jobs have gone to China because countries like Germany, China, South Korea,Japan and the Scandinavian countries all value these jobs as important which is why they had trade barriers against the US.
it doesn't take a magic wand... you got Trump because successive governments took their eye of the ball and forgot who they were responsible for... Dems and Republicans alike

 

[Lexicus]

its about accepting reality as it is.He is the POTUS of the USA

Okay, now find one poster who does not "accept [this] reality as it is." I'll wait politely.

 

[onejayhawk]

Okay, now find one poster who does not "accept [this] reality as it is." I'll wait politely.

The count tops 30 at least but it would inappropriate to name names. Anyone that ever thought Mueller was the solution qualifies. Anyone that is full bore Resist qualifies.

J

 

[Old Hippy]

Okay, now find one poster who does not "accept [this] reality as it is." I'll wait politely.

I'll get back to you on that... I don't like reading posts that see Trump as the reincarnation of Hitler as they can not tell the difference between State control like the National Socialist German Workers' Party and small government with deregulation that's a reality where they have lost touch with what Fascism is all about but i will also quote J

Anyone that is full bore Resist qualifies.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

i will also quote J

Now that is the most absurd attempt at "credibility by agreement" I've ever seen.

 

[Birdjaguar]

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN... American is not a race, its a multicultural collective of races
just in case you haven't noticed...

When was it greater than it was in 2016? What made that particular time so much greater than the present?

 

[Birdjaguar]

So Old Hippy is Australian! good to know.

 

[metatron]

I know I'll regret posting this, but how is that a "clown car"?
Apart from the obviously ridiculous options like the Rock, Zuckerburg, and Comey; most of the rest are either high profile senators or governors - which is, you know, WHO PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE TRADITIONALLY DRAWN FROM.

The point about it being a clown car is just that they may be many, i suppose.
Like, you can pick, say, three mediocre candidates from the list we've assembled and that's the primary; in that case they look "so so".
If you just add ten more, even better ones, it starts to look silly.
Case in point: Most of the '16 Republican contenders were from that pool. It was largely their number that made them look silly. And yes, they would have looked silly even without Trump among their midst.

I can't help but notice that this "voice" thing seems to be falling rather unequally on the different genders. You want to talk about that a little?

No... please... no...
This is one of the things that have to stop: Making excuses for Clinton because [somethingsomethingsexism].
Please.

Her voice is horrible. It didn't use to be. She had a pretty decent voice well into her first term as First Lady of the US. And there are still things she does well with it... it's just that the things she does badly, she does very badly.

I don't know where you got this lowness business from. That's not it, on the contrary. Generally people find lower voices attractive in both men and women; and lowness is additionally profitable for a politician: it conveys calm confidence. Highness often conveys stress and aggression (borne out of stress and defensiveness).
Clinton does high-stress-voice a lot. Like really a lot. And she's loud. Like, she's shrieking into the microphone as if she's not sure it's on.
At times, she does better in interviews than in speeches and her sitting down helps a lot. Like she's still mediocre then, but she's a train wreck speaking at a podium, particularly if it's outdoors.
She also rushes. Like there's a disregard and maybe a boredom on her part (one may see it as a sign of her entitlement if one wants to): She doesn't give proper pauses and her stressed, bored, annoyed shrieking levels all emphasis.
People stop listening to her a lot, probably even her fervent followers.

Comparing female politicians to male politicians on this is a perilous undertaking. Cause i actually kind of guess that female politicians are actually more likely to have a bad voice.
If you have a bad voice as a male politician you have to have extremely strong factors going in your favor or you'll be weeded out.
As a female politician you can make it; with intelligence and diligence you can overcome this defect.

Anyway, just as a random data point: Amy Klobuchar (whom i've mocked in this thread already) has a wonderful voice. She speaks brilliantly on an aesthetic level. She uses a calm, deep voice; she has sublime tempo and emphasis. Humor, joy, passion, empathy ooze through and drop of her words.
I don't like what she's saying for a number of reasons, but her voice is great. And that's not a chance thing; that's character; that's self-control; and it's genuine charisma.
And that's not a men-being-sexist thing either. You can poll a bunch of women and way fewer will find Senator Klobuchar repulsive on a personal level than Senator* Clinton.

*Yes, i did that intentionally, as per usual.

 

[Old Hippy]

When was it greater than it was in 2016? What made that particular time so much greater than the present?

2017...
its a political slogan... it was obviously greater when the deplorables had jobs and the flyover states had a future to the people who lived there before all the companies decided that using cheap Chinese labour made more sense than a productive heart land

So Old Hippy is Australian! good to know.

I am actually a Londoner

 

[Birdjaguar]

2017...
its a political slogan... it was obviously greater when the deplorables had jobs and the flyover states had a future to the people who lived there before all the companies decided that using cheap Chinese labour made more sense than a productive heart land

I am actually a Londoner

It is more than a political slogan. It points policy back towards a mythical time that "we need to go back to". A time when rural whites had it good and at the expense of non whites. We are no longer a just white nation. The rural whites, now deplorables, got screwed over by the urban white capitalists. Rural life has been in decline for over a century and it will continue. From 2008 to 2017, 50% of the newly created jobs went to just 30 urban counties across the US. If rural Americans want to prosper, their best move is to the city and to learn currently demanded skill sets. If they can't/won't do that, they need to suck it up. Change happens.

 

[Lexicus]

I'll get back to you on that

Of course you will. Because ultimately this whole "Trump is the President" thing is about the fact that you pretty much support him, you just won't admit it.

No... please... no...
This is one of the things that have to stop: Making excuses for Clinton because [somethingsomethingsexism].

I have no idea where on earth you got the idea what my question somehow constituted "making excuses for Clinton," I didn't bother reading the rest of what you said and I'd prefer if you just waited for Gori to answer the question.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

2017...
its a political slogan... it was obviously greater when the deplorables had jobs and the flyover states had a future to the people who lived there before all the companies decided that using cheap Chinese labour made more sense than a productive heart land

I am actually a Londoner

Problem is that the heartland wasn't productive. If it had been the decision to move for lower labor costs wouldn't have been good business. I get that the flyover folk miss being subsidized in their lack of productivity so they could live the good life, but what is it that they offer to merit such subsidies? My dogs aren't productive at all, but I happily subsidize 100% of the costs of their existence...because they are lovable. If the flyover people don't want to be productive and demand subsidizing then they need to stop being deplorable.

 

[BenitoChavez]

POTUS of the USA

President Of The United States of the United States of America.

What is this new country and when did it gain independence?

 

[metatron]

I didn't bother reading the rest of what you said and I'd prefer if you just waited for Gori to answer the question.

I'm terribly sorry but you don't get to tell me what to write or not write.
This particularly applies since to this day you feel unable to inform me as to whether you feel justified in eventually punching me or not.

 

[Lexicus]

its a political slogan... it was obviously greater when the deplorables had jobs and the flyover states had a future to the people who lived there before all the companies decided that using cheap Chinese labour made more sense than a productive heart land

It's hilarious to me because the "flyover states" spent decades voting for the party whose orthodoxy held that there is literally no higher social good than producing profits for shareholders. Oh and they still routinely denounce anyone who says that society should be valued more than business profits as a socialist and therefore only half a step above the antichrist.

From 2008 to 2017, 50% of the newly created jobs went to just 30 urban counties across the US. If rural Americans want to prosper, their best move is to the city and to learn currently demanded skill sets. If they can't/won't do that, they need to suck it up. Change happens.

This kind of antisocial crap is driving people straight into fascism, which offers people a human society instead of demanding that they accept the annihilation of their communities and sacrifice themselves on the altar of the inhuman, calculating market.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This kind of antisocial crap is driving people straight into fascism, which offers people a human society instead of demanding that they accept the annihilation of their communities and sacrifice themselves on the altar of the inhuman, calculating market.

People have to be either productive or lovable. Unproductive can be okay. Deplorable can be okay. Unproductive and deplorable is suicidal.

 

[Lexicus]

People have to be either productive or lovable. Unproductive can be okay. Deplorable can be okay. Unproductive and deplorable is suicidal.

Well, just don't be surprised when the next guy they elect President is even worse than Trump.

I'm terribly sorry but you don't get to tell me what to write or not write.

Well, I didn't do that, I just said what I'd prefer.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, just don't be surprised when the next guy they elect President is even worse than Trump.

I won't be surprised when they vote for someone worse than Trump. My intention is that they be revealed for the minority that they are and successfully isolated so that it won't matter how much of a loser the loser they vote for is.