2020 US Election (Part One)

[rah]

Not all Democrats are that far to the left. Believing that is the easiest way to lose national election.

But yeah, an ex-republican so some habit die hard.

 

[Sommerswerd]

But those are the votes you need. Bernie will drive out the vote in the areas that Mickey Mouse would win if he were running. Those wins are already in the bank. You need those marginal votes in places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio etc. where Bernie is not an asset.

Hillary's campaign thought Wisconsin, Michigan, etc., were in the bank, which is why they foolishly tried to tack "centrist" to entice voters from Texas, Georgia, NC, Missouri etc... That strategy was a failure, and it would be foolhardy to make that mistake again. Spend your time getting the reliable Democratic voters in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to turn out instead of quixotic quests to woo the elusive "centrists".

Democrats will win by energizing the likely Democrats. They won't win by running "Democrats" who focus on trying to make Conservatives etc., comfortable by sounding like Republicans. Folks who want a Democrat who talks like a Republican are ultimately going to just vote Republican, stay home, or vote 3rd party, which has the same electoral effect in the POTUS race as staying home.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hillary's campaign thought Wisconsin, Michigan, etc., were in the bank, which is why they foolishly tried to tack "centrist" to entice voters from Texas, Georgia, NC, Missouri etc... That strategy was a failure, and it would be foolhardy to make that mistake again. Spend your time getting the reliable Democratic voters in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to turn out instead of quixotic quests to woo the elusive "centrists".

Democrats will win by energizing the likely Democrats. They won't win by running "Democrats" who focus on trying to make Conservatives etc., comfortable by sounding like Republicans. Folks who want a Democrat who talks like a Republican are ultimately going to just vote Republican, stay home, or vote 3rd party, which has the same electoral effect in the POTUS race as staying home.

The Quixotic quest was to flip states, not for the purpose of winning the presidency, which they did think was in the bank, but to break the Republican hold in those states that were, and still are, teetering. It is still important to press to flip those states, with Trump's accidental assistance. Just taking back the Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania block doesn't destroy the GOP. The process of turning red states purple and purple states blue needs to continue. And whoever gets elected they need to focus all of their attention not on any 'green new deal' or 'universal health care' that will excite some fringy part of the base. They need to focus on election reform and the total destruction of the GOP.

I would start with an infrastructure bill just chock full of pork. The kind of pork that makes it pass with massive bipartisan support because GOP donors tell their bought and paid for representatives "vote for that or else; besides, you'll get a good cut." Then by 2022 half of the Republicans in congress have to be either buried in scandals or outright jailed for sticking their snouts in that trough, and a bunch of GOP donors and governors and state assembly members with them behind bars.

No more "I believe that common ground can be found, we're all Americans" tripe like we got from Obama. We need someone brutally ruthless. Someone who isn't afraid to apply the requisite chemo and radiation treatments and burn out the cancer.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I don't know. I actually think they're the same. I have a lot of ex-republican friends that all refused to vote for trump. The general consensus was the we would vote for whoever we wanted but wouldn't just vote for someone we were told to vote for just because it wasn't trump.
But you're probably right that there is a gray area somewhere in there.

Just considering what you seem to be proposing on principle... I try to put myself in the shoes of a hypothetical moderate Republican who voted for Trump in 2016. Turns out Trump was a total disaster and I don't want to vote for him again... so what is it that I expect of the Democrats? That they move even further right than they did in 2016, thus abandoning their base and turning off their youth, blacks, hispanics and more... in order to focus on... me? Why do I feel that I'm entitled to such special treatment?... such bend-over-backwards wooing?

If you (the royal you) recognize that supporting Trump was wrong and you need to change course... why is it the Democrats that need to come to you? Shouldn't you be the one who goes to them? You screwed up and screwed the country over. They are trying to fix it. Shouldn't your sensibilities give way to theirs... at least this one time? Maybe the Republican party rights itself and you can go back later, but now isn't the time to be making demands right? I mean you (the royal you) just elected Trump for crissakes... you just drove us into the ditch... shouldn't you be willing to give up the steering wheel for the next trip?

To me... a former Trump voter demanding that the Democrats choose a candidate that Republicans "are comfortable with" is kinda like the guy who just crashed the car saying that he is only willing to let someone else drive if they follow his instructions and let him keep one hand on the wheel... Dude... you just crashed us... so sit back, relax and sleep it off

 

[Sommerswerd]

No more "I believe that common ground can be found, we're all Americans" tripe like we got from Obama. We need someone brutally ruthless. Someone who isn't afraid to apply the requisite chemo and radiation treatments and burn out the cancer.

Well that someone was Hillary... as I noted several times early-on during the 2016 race... but... you know...

AOC seems promising... in terms of being the "take-no-prisoners" type... but we need someone to act as steward in the meantime.

The Quixotic quest was to flip states, not for the purpose of winning the presidency, which they did think was in the bank, but to break the Republican hold in those states that were, and still are, teetering. It is still important to press to flip those states, with Trump's accidental assistance. Just taking back the Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania block doesn't destroy the GOP. The process of turning red states purple and purple states blue needs to continue. And whoever gets elected they need to focus all of their attention not on any 'green new deal' or 'universal health care' that will excite some fringy part of the base. They need to focus on election reform and the total destruction of the GOP.

What turns red states purple, and then blue is winning. That's what turned the Democrats into the DLC Clinton party... getting absolutely wiped-out by Reagan and Papa Bush. The Republicans were so strong and secure that they got greedy and ended up fracturing into one of the strongest third parties in recent history. Meanwhile, the Democrats, tired of losing to Republicans... decided to join'em rather then beat'em... giving us the more conservative version of the Democratic party, led by the Clintons.

The way to force the Republican party as we know it to implode and ultimately become more liberal, is to win more elections on a liberal platform. Losing is what forces change/realignment.

 

[Takhisis]

the royal you

This is not even a thing. This is not an objection to your misszpelling tech-related acronymz: Please, please don't fall for the tricks of people who bastardise the language to a point that words can mean anything.

 

[Takhisis]

AOC seems promising... in terms of being the "take-no-prisoners" type... but we need someone to act as steward in the meantime.

What meantime?

How does EW-AOC as the presidential ticket for 2020 sound?

 

[Sommerswerd]

This is not even a thing. This is not an objection to your misszpelling tech-related acronymz: Please, please don't fall for the tricks of people who bastardise the language to a point that words can mean anything.

This comment is soooo 2015... its over Tak... catch up.

What meantime?

How does EW-AOC as the presidential ticket for 2020 sound?

She too young fi dat tho...

 

[Broken_Erika]

Pffft! Just go with the Carrot Top-Andy Dick 2020.

 

[Takhisis]

This comment is soooo 2015... its over Tak... catch up.

catchup? Is that the thing POTUS puts on his steak?

 

[onejayhawk]

Pffft! Just go with the Carrot Top-Andy Dick 2020.

So it came to pass...

It's a large mistake to treat 2020 like 2016. The voting population will be very different.

J

 

[Sommerswerd]

catchup? Is that the thing POTUS puts on his steak?

*catsup

Or... alternatively (and more commonly) *ketchup

C'mon Tak, get it right

 

[Berzerker]

you cant out ruthless Trump, he needs to be loved to death

 

[Sommerswerd]

Just ask Stormy Daniels

 

[Takhisis]

I can't get right, Sommer. Under US standards I'm a Stalinist.

 

[Berzerker]

there go the Dems, several candidates are preaching reparations now

msnbc poll 68-26 oppose them

the primary system and safe seat gerrymandering polarizes elections and we wonder why Congress cant work together

 

[Hygro]

Ok my current top

1) Beto
2) Warren
3) Yang

 

[Gori the Grey]

catchup? Is that the thing POTUS puts on his steak?

and omelettes

Trying to talk Sommer out of his "royal you" nonsense is the first way I ever engaged him. It's pointless. He's obstinate on this point. Don't bother telling him how foolish it makes him look. Don't point out to him that it's the exact opposite of what he means to convey. Don't point out to him that one can convey the same points with "one." He's committed to this buffoonery. One just has to like him for his other good points.

Maybe we'll stage a intervention some time.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

1) Newsom
2) Warren
3) Biden

 

[Takhisis]

What are these surname threesomes y'all is postin'? Is it draft pick season already?

and omelettes

Depending on what type of omelette it is this might be serendipitous.

Trying to talk Sommer out of his "royal you" nonsense is the first way I ever engaged him. It's pointless. He's obstinate on this point. Don't bother telling him how foolish it makes him look. Don't point out to him that it's the exact opposite of what he means to convey. Don't point out to him that one can convey the same points with "one." He's committed to this buffoonery. One just has to like him for his other good points.

Maybe we'll stage a intervention some time.

I'll help, but don't host it in Gunland.