2020 US Election (Part One)

[cardgame]

I'd rather have Bernie for 2 years than Biden for 4

But since we're talking about him so much, has he even made a statement of intent to run in 2020?

 

[Hrothbern]

There are people with an exceptional metabolism... that's what you need to postpone the technical cognitive detoriation of your brain from ageing: a lower rate of ageing.
And do mind that lots of that technical decline can be or is masked by cognitive reserve.
But with a brain scan you can still see the technical decline: meaning you are not the same anymore, with the same power & flexibility as before.

 

[danjuno]

Because at 77 nothing is working like it did at 55 or 60.

Again, you're making a broad generalization without considering Sanders' individual health record. What health problems does BERNIE SANDERS have? Not people the same age as him, HIM.

I'd rather have Bernie for 2 years than Biden for 4

But since we're talking about him so much, has he even made a statement of intent to run in 2020?

Most candidates haven't by this point.

There are people with an exceptional metabolism... that's what you need to postpone the technical cognitive detoriation of your brain from ageing: a lower rate of ageing.
And do mind that lots of that technical decline can be or is masked by cognitive reserve.
But with a brain scan you can still see the technical decline: meaning you are not the same anymore, with the same power & flexibility as before.

Again, nothing from his 2016 records that I've seen suggests this was a problem for him. I'd imagine if he runs he'll have already gone to the doctor and gotten a clean bill of health.

 

[cardgame]

Are any of the front runners even younger than 65?

And Biden is the same age as Bernie so the age argument is dead unless applied to both anyway. .

 

[danjuno]

No. And the serious candidates who aren't, more or less have the worldviews of rich old white men anyway.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Do you enjoy it?

Yes I love it (impenetrable posts, not doorknobhumping, which I still don't understand). Never change. I have a puzzle I've been working on for more than a decade. I don't mind not being able to figure things out.

 

[Farm Boy]

Oh, it's literally doing the action. It's an unkind assessment of motives/ability.

 

[Berzerker]

No Dem should bother trying to get the likes of Commodore, Berzerker or Kyriakos (!)

Its been almost 40 years since I voted for a Republican, I voted for a Dem this past fall (the 'google guy' ran for Secyofstate). But I wont vote for Biden or Hillary, no way on Earth. If Dems want my vote, stop with the warmongering - no more wars here or abroad.

 

[Gori the Grey]

But would you take any of them at their word if they pledged that?

 

[Berzerker]

probably, they'd be bucking the party platform

I like Tulsi Gabbard on foreign policy but I dont know what she thinks of the drug war, Biden and Hillary (and Bernie I'm sure) have far too much blood on their hands for me to consider.

 

[metalhead]

Why don't you actually look at his health record as an individual instead?

Are they available? Or, like his tax returns, has he kept them hidden from public view?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Gavin Newsom has the right fighting temperament to take on Trump and solid progressive planks in his platform. Warren is quite a scrapper too and I think should be credited more on that. Despite whether you think she won or lost this particular scuffle, she took the fight to Trump. She didn't lie about her ancestry and showed once again Trump will say one thing (I will donate $1m to charity!) and do another.

I do not see anyone fighting him in the public sphere besides a lot of weaksauce jabs on Twitter.

 

[Berzerker]

he supports legal pot, thats a major selling point

Just as Trump went after the blue collar crowd with his populism, a Dem could attract right wingers by opposing the drug war on pot. You'd be surprised how many red staters are potheads.

 

[danjuno]

Gavin Newsom has the right fighting temperament to take on Trump and solid progressive planks in his platform. Warren is quite a scrapper too and I think should be credited more on that. Despite whether you think she won or lost this particular scuffle, she took the fight to Trump. She didn't lie about her ancestry and showed once again Trump will say one thing (I will donate $1m to charity!) and do another.

I do not see anyone fighting him in the public sphere besides a lot of weaksauce jabs on Twitter.

I have yet to see anything indicating GN would run. Liz is definitively a serious contender if she sticks to her main attack lines. She's on Maddow right now and doing just that. Hopefully she puts that DNA nonsense behind her.

Are they available? Or, like his tax returns, has he kept them hidden from public view?

Yes. And I don't think he has any Goldman Sachs sppeches to hide, unlike your girlfriend Hillary.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Again, you're making a broad generalization without considering Sanders' individual health record. What health problems does BERNIE SANDERS have? Not people the same age as him, HIM.

Are any of the front runners even younger than 65?

And Biden is the same age as Bernie so the age argument is dead unless applied to both anyway. .

It is not a question of health records. It is a question about aging. At that age your brain and body are much worse than they were a decade or two earlier. good health in your 70s is very nice, but it is not enough to overcome the deterioration of everything else. Bernie and Joe might make excellent VPs, but I don't see them viable choices for a four year term let alone eight years in Office.

BTW, I think women age better, slower, than men given good health.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Elizabeth Warren just finished and interview with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.

 

[danjuno]

It is not a question of health records. It is a question about aging. At that age your brain and body are much worse than they were a decade or two earlier. good health in your 70s is very nice, but it is not enough to overcome the deterioration of everything else. Bernie and Joe might make excellent VPs, but I don't see them viable choices for a four year term let alone eight years in Office.

I still contend that there's a great deal of variance among individuals, not to mention medicine has greatly improved in the 75 years since FDR was the last president to die in office of natural causes. I think if Bernie runs again, there's a pretty good chance that's he's been cleared by his doctor. Realistically, I think he could get MfA in, groom a successor like AOC, and retire after one term if it's a problem.

Elizabeth Warren just finished and interview with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.

She held up pretty well. I think she'll do fine once she's put this DNA crap behind her and gotten back on message.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I think if Bernie runs again, there's a pretty good chance that's he's been cleared by his doctor.

Trump didn't consult a doctor until the dawn of the election if I recall correctly. That doctor signed a note delivered by a guy in a limo stating Trump had magically lost 20+ pounds and gained 2 inches in height. His next doctor was an alcoholic pill popper with a propensity to pass out Percocets like Pogs at my 11th birthday party.

We cannot take any convention or norm at face value any more.

The first thing the Democrats can and should do on taking office is pass sweeping new ethics laws and regulations. The parts of the laws the reactionary judiciary strikes down should be wrapped up in a constitutional ammenent and taken to state conventions. Take back the country by reinforcing our laws.

 

[Ajidica]

Um, what? If you're saying this because he didn't win the nomination last time, I'm pretty sure it's because moderates, i.e. not the base, voted for HRC.

I dunno.
In Minnesota at least, the only people who turn out on Tuesday evenings for caucusing or Saturday mornings for the district conventions in the middle of winter are by definition the base.
Sure, Sanders won in Minnesota the people who show up to vote in Democratic primaries and caucuses are the base of the Democratic party. If the base of the Democratic party voted for a more moderate candidate, that is what it is.
Frankly, in 2016 Sanders did exactly what I was hoping for him to do and swing the party to the left. The 2016 Democratic Platform was the most progressive in economic issues it has been in decades and glimmers of that shown through when Clinton was talking policy.* Given the alt-reich's effective seizure of the GOP, do you really want to see what they would have done during the campaign to an elderly Jewish socialist?


*Unfortunately she went with a "who do you trust more" campaign against His Trumpiness - bad choice.

 

[Berzerker]

Warren called Trump's foreign policy a disaster and then proceeded to echo it wrt getting out of Syria and Afghanistan

and here's the thing about her DNA etc, when she looks in the mirror she's looking at a blue eyed blonde Scandinavian. Okay, she might have a touch of Indian, but she didn't go thru life as an Indian. Nobody discriminated against her for being an Indian. So she cut in line ahead of people the law was supposed to protect, but she's a Dem so she gets a pass.

But I was pleasantly surprised to see she wants to get us out of the ME and actually opposed arming Syrian rebels.