2020 US Election (Part One)

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With every public event, Biden Hollows further and further; how long before he loses what little humanity he has left?

He is just the analogue in senility of McCain. He will be run, and if he gets the nomination - which DNC will try everything to secure, as we know - he will be obliterated by Trump.
Then the Dnc will focus on trying to prevent AOC from winning in 2024.
 
He is just the analogue in senility of McCain. He will be run, and if he gets the nomination - which DNC will try everything to secure, as we know - he will be obliterated by Trump.
Then the Dnc will focus on trying to prevent AOC from winning in 2024.

Of course, Trump's core of support don't care that he is also not quite mentally coherent or cognisant, but, unfortunately, they have a different bar.
 
Of course, Trump's core of support don't care that he is also not quite mentally coherent or cognisant, but, unfortunately, they have a different bar.

Sure, but I doubt you are of the view that even if they had the same bar re senility, Biden would come across as better (even than 10-word Trump).
 
Warren's dumbass needs to support Sanders already so Biden doesn't win.

If her support actually meant "so Biden doesn't win" that would be certainly true. If Sanders is cooked with or without her there is no benefit in boarding a sinking ship. I don't expect her to make a move until after Tuesday, and if the polling holds in the Tuesday primaries I expect she will be having a long "for the good of the movement" conversation with Sanders about both of them supporting Biden. It would be a whole lot easier for the progressive movement to sustain something if they have a unified Democratic party and Warren/Sanders represented in a Biden campaign and administration than it will be if Sanders gets steamrolled in the primary all the way to the end...and right now that looks like a very probable outcome if he stays in.
 
What's sort of funny is that every single person I know, without exception, agrees with me that Biden is obviously in cognitive decline and will lose to Trump. Even my dad, who is 71.
At the risk of grabbing at straws/wishful thinking, Biden seems to have been improving as he gets back into the swing of campaigning. Perhaps his performance during the debates and rallies has seemed anemic because he doesn't want to go after fellow Democrats too hard?

Warren's dumbass needs to support Sanders already so Biden doesn't win.
Should she though? Ideologically, Warren is closer to Biden that Sanders. Warren is no socialist - while Sanders views markets as something inherently flawed, Warren views them as good but need reforms and protections to make them work right and address their failures. Further, on political grounds, Sanders campaign is struggling based on the polling - he simply isn't turning out the vote he was aiming for (youth and disaffected voters) despite a far more professional and serious campaign than 2016. 2nd choice polling is uncertain at best, but from what Lexicus has posted it isn't clear there is much overlap in Warren's and Sanders supporters. After all, I think a plurality of Biden's supporters at one time listed Sanders as their 2nd choice.
There is also the argument the Democrats need to get this wrapped up sooner than later so they can stop bleeding money and good-feelings among each other and start focusing on November.
 
I just wanted to note the amazing irony of misinterpreting Patine's post (of all the people I'm choosing to go to bat for, hah) as being about "forgetting", three or so posts after claiming your own posts were being misinterpreted.

I understand being opposed to Sanders, as much as I disagree with it, but your position seems to also that popular criticism of Biden is wrongthink or in general just poorly thought-out. This seems a bit reductive, really.

LOL...it was a joke that even Patine got and wasn't upset by. Get over it.
 
If her support actually meant "so Biden doesn't win" that would be certainly true. If Sanders is cooked with or without her there is no benefit in boarding a sinking ship. I don't expect her to make a move until after Tuesday, and if the polling holds in the Tuesday primaries I expect she will be having a long "for the good of the movement" conversation with Sanders about both of them supporting Biden. It would be a whole lot easier for the progressive movement to sustain something if they have a unified Democratic party and Warren/Sanders represented in a Biden campaign and administration than it will be if Sanders gets steamrolled in the primary all the way to the end...and right now that looks like a very probable outcome if he stays in.

There won't be a Biden administration; time to realize that...
 
Ideologically, Warren is closer to Biden that Sanders.

Perhaps ironically, this is what I've been trying to tell her supporters who think she's the same as Sanders, just more competent (the implication being the only reason to support Sanders instead of her is sexism).
 
Trump still on Adderall?

Judging by his weight, probably not
The lead singer from Matchbox 20 (Rob Thomas?) famously gained a bunch of weight on cocaine. Weight loss is symptomatic of abuse of stimulants but is not necessarily diagnostic. Some people react to them weirdly and also if you're on it for decades I assume your body adjusts to it - especially with his diet.
Maybe everyone is hoping he'll be swiftly replaced by his vice president

At the risk of grabbing at straws/wishful thinking, Biden seems to have been improving as he gets back into the swing of campaigning. Perhaps his performance during the debates and rallies has seemed anemic because he doesn't want to go after fellow Democrats too hard?
I think the whole Biden is senile thing is pretty overblown. Same with Trump. Many people don't see it at all and a subset of those will never see it no matter what.
 
There won't be a Biden administration; time to realize that...

Whoever the Democrats nominate is beating Trump. His "let's give him a chance" support vaporized by June 2017 and they aren't going to go back. The "we don't like Hillary and we're throwing a tantrum" Democrats have turned around in more than sufficient number to carry the day.
 
There won't be a Biden administration; time to realize that...

Sniffing the volcanic ashes over in Delphi? That sounds like "prophecy," there.
 
I do think Sanders should take all the $ he can get, why not take Bloomberg's?

"The $ didn't rape anyway" :lol:

To this point he has had, and spent, far more money than Biden and it hasn't helped, so there's no reason for him to take more. Unless he finds a way to broaden the appeal of his message repeating it louder and faster through bigger ad buys isn't going to work anyway. His first attempts to broaden his messaging have pretty much blown up in his face, so now we will see what his intentions are and the capabilities of his campaign.
 
lmao excuse me for trying to make a sincere point, my bad.

No problem. We all post with our own blend of humor and sincerity and sometimes we all find ourselves leaning a direction the other person isn't going.

Now, your sincere point definitely merited a sincere response I'll try my best.
I understand being opposed to Sanders, as much as I disagree with it, but your position seems to also that popular criticism of Biden is wrongthink or in general just poorly thought-out. This seems a bit reductive, really.

I think "Tim is opposed to Sanders" is actually an inaccurate simplification. I would describe myself as a political strategist with a strong preference towards the Democratic party's positions. Political strategist because I don't actually have any great investment in any particular candidate so I cannot really claim to be anyone's "supporter." I also consider pretty much all of Sanders' positions to be 'Democratic party positions' since theoretically Sanders is running as a Democrat and that makes his positions Democratic party positions, especially since they are mostly held in a much wider spread beyond him and his supporters within the Democratic party.

So, any 'opposition' I might have to Sanders is on a strategic level. If I work this year's campaigns it will, as usual, be at the local level trying to hold a congressional seat for the Democrats. In the process I will certainly provide passing support to the Democratic party candidate at the top of the ticket, but I live in California so that support, from a practical standpoint, will be irrelevant. Likelihood of holding the congressional seat, believe it or not and like it or not, will be profoundly enhanced by having Biden at the top of the ticket rather than Sanders. That isn't necessarily true everywhere, but I know my district and there is no question that it is true here.

Now, given that...

No, I do not think that "popular" criticism of Biden is "wrongthink." I think that since it appears at this point that Biden is very likely to be running against Trump and representing the Democratic party vilifying him in speculative fashion is counterproductive for Democrats to be doing. I don't vilify Sanders. Biden doesn't vilify Sanders. Hopefully Sanders will avoid vilifying Biden. Bad strategy doesn't help anyone.
 
No, I do not think that "popular" criticism of Biden is "wrongthink." I think that since it appears at this point that Biden is very likely to be running against Trump and representing the Democratic party vilifying him in speculative fashion is counterproductive for Democrats to be doing. I don't vilify Sanders. Biden doesn't vilify Sanders. Hopefully Sanders will avoid vilifying Biden. Bad strategy doesn't help anyone.

You spent the last ten pages here writing stuff against Bernie as well as his supporters. Ultimately this won't matter, given this is just CFC, but surely the trend is the same in the actual US population, so Biden even if pushed over the edge in the nomination is a lame duck.
Other than Biden presenting no hope for those needing change re healthcare or tuition fees, he is also obviously senile. That's not vilifying, it is the evident truth. Run a senile person and see what happens; you think he will get debate protection vs Trump, like DNC does for him now in the new debate vs Bernie?...

The election is close, so you may provide textbytes of Biden supposedly winning, to post then as well :jesus:
 
No problem. We all post with our own blend of humor and sincerity and sometimes we all find ourselves leaning a direction the other person isn't going.

Now, your sincere point definitely merited a sincere response I'll try my best.


I think "Tim is opposed to Sanders" is actually an inaccurate simplification. I would describe myself as a political strategist with a strong preference towards the Democratic party's positions. Political strategist because I don't actually have any great investment in any particular candidate so I cannot really claim to be anyone's "supporter." I also consider pretty much all of Sanders' positions to be 'Democratic party positions' since theoretically Sanders is running as a Democrat and that makes his positions Democratic party positions, especially since they are mostly held in a much wider spread beyond him and his supporters within the Democratic party.

So, any 'opposition' I might have to Sanders is on a strategic level. If I work this year's campaigns it will, as usual, be at the local level trying to hold a congressional seat for the Democrats. In the process I will certainly provide passing support to the Democratic party candidate at the top of the ticket, but I live in California so that support, from a practical standpoint, will be irrelevant. Likelihood of holding the congressional seat, believe it or not and like it or not, will be profoundly enhanced by having Biden at the top of the ticket rather than Sanders. That isn't necessarily true everywhere, but I know my district and there is no question that it is true here.

Now, given that...

No, I do not think that "popular" criticism of Biden is "wrongthink." I think that since it appears at this point that Biden is very likely to be running against Trump and representing the Democratic party vilifying him in speculative fashion is counterproductive for Democrats to be doing. I don't vilify Sanders. Biden doesn't vilify Sanders. Hopefully Sanders will avoid vilifying Biden. Bad strategy doesn't help anyone.
I don't think anyone vilifying Biden is necessarily doing so from within the Democrat Party structure though, at least not on any scale. There have been some potshots between both, at both (I'm avoiding paywall links, so it's very hard to often read into headlines of "criticism" which are milder than the headline sometimes makes out), so here's an example of a general set Biden was tossing out before it was just him and Sanders in the game. You can call it true if you want, but in my opinion de-escalating rhetoric around the term "socialism" would be a better use of my (Biden's) immense money, connections and political clout.

The fact that mainstream Democrats are more than happy to go with this modern kind of Red Scare-esque language is no source of unending frustration (and the same thoughts are starting to happen in the UK, too).

Which leads us to the actual problem underlying this in terms of electability - the US is still stuck, culturally, in some kind of repetitive post-Cold War loop when it comes to leftwing politics and the accuracy of labels used for them. The Overton window is massively to the right compared to (even, still) the UK and other Western nations which has a profound impact on what people can campaign on in a realistic sense. The problem underneath this is that a lot of systems are beginning to fail in our modern world; symptoms of climate change are just one set of examples of this. Moderate, inches gained kind of reform isn't something that's viable in the long term, but people are still playing the US electoral game like it is a long term thing. That's going to lead to increasing dissonance particularly over the next two to three electoral cycles.

Which is why you're going to increasingly find (especially amongst younger political activists) increased anger and disappointment when the Democrats default to the same strategy they thought would work in 2016 (moderate centre-right established Democratic candidate). Political apathy is on the rise, and sticking to what's tried and tested in the hope it averts a repeat of 2016 isn't always going to be seen as the most sensible tactic. When you talk about bad strategy, people who don't think Biden has a good shot are also talking strategy (not necessarily in this thread, I don't know, but certainly from what I've seen). They're talking about it because there's still time for it to change (less time than there was a week ago, but hey). There'll probably be a lot more resignation if / when Biden takes the nomination, and then it'll be on Biden and his team, and his supporters, in the event they lose. What I don't want to see is "well Sanders didn't try hard enough" (like they tried with Clinton in 2016, despite the fact he canvassed for her) or any other centrist / conservative thinkpieces on how the more radical candidate(s) are somehow to blame (in the theoretical event Biden is on the ticket and he loses against Trump). If there is surety about this political strategy, there also needs to be honesty if it fails, because the next time around the Democrats are really going to have to do some thinking in that case.
 
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