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2020 US Election (Part Two)
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What Klan? There is no Klan. It is all a vast leftwing conspiracy.
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amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Well, yes and no. I don’t doubt the existence of an entity called the Klan, but its estimated membership is 8,000 at the high end by the SPLC. It sounds like a lot, but you know, law of large numbers.
It’s a shame though that they have some cool names for their things. I mean, I want to be a Grand Imperial Wizard. That sounds awesome!
Extremist groups wreck all the neat stuff.
Estebonrober
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Didn't this administration ban certain nations from being able to enter the US for a while? Was your family not effected by
yes I replied to your strawman with another strawman now you get it, good job.
I would hope neither group would get violent but if they did I would support BLM. I do not defend antifa violence, I jsut understand it there is a difference.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Would most Iranians in the U.S. post-1979 still retain their citizenship? I imagine between the lack of diplomatic recognition and the length of time passed, most have become Americans by now.
Berzerker
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Joe wanted Shokin to investigate Hunter's company and he just wouldn't do it so he had to go. Really? What happened with the much vaunted investigation once Shokin was out of the way?
You're right, Bloomy and Warren probably hurt Biden and Sanders roughly the same. But he wasn't the party's establishment, his politics are flexible enough to fit into either party and has, he was a Republican mayor of NYC. He's rich enough he can piss people off and he just spent a ton of $$$ to make a splash on Super Tuesday, the Democrats who bailed before Super Tuesday did so at the behest of 'the establishment' and I'm sure Bloomberg was asked to leave the race for Joe too. If Bloomberg did better and stayed in the race establishment Dems would have been throwing a tantrum.
So how would Biden and Sanders have done if nobody dropped? I think Biden would have still won but it would have taken longer with a smaller margin over Bernie. But thats all beside the point, the Democrat establishment did 'conspire' to hand it to Biden and deny Bernie the nomination.
His family and friends vacuumed up the money and if the emails are accurate, he got a cut of the action. But it doesn't matter to me if Hunter got the bribe and didn't give any to Joe, if you pay my kid millions you're still bribing me.
Some work in Ukraine - bribing politicians to fire a prosecutor investigating his son's company. Wanna bet Joe & family are heavily involved financially in other areas Joe did some work?
Mueller was armed with a motivated arsenal of Trump haters. To their credit they didn't fabricate charges, albeit Trump was all over them making sure the worst partisans got the boot. But I was convinced by the Democrats and their media Trump was a Manchurian candidate and Mueller was going to expose it all.
What was exposed is the Democrats did just about everything they accused Trump of doing and far far worse, from soliciting foreign interference in the election to lying to a Fisa court and spying on Trump. Corrupt Democrats got caught so they made the story about Trump and Putin with the help of their propagandists in the media.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Eh? What did the Ukraine get from Biden?
Half of Hunter’s associates ended up investigated or in jail. Some in Red China, some in the U.S., with no benefit.
I think Hunter Biden’s income stream is going to come to a screeching halt once Uncle Joe tells Murray the Cop that cokeboy is persona non grata at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Quoted for posterity.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Berzerker
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I was defending BLM's free speech from the KKK
But I did deny it, Hunter has not.
What was my straw man? So you support BLM violence, but not Antifa because there is a difference. So what is this difference?
Eh? What did the Ukraine get from Biden?
A new prosecutor to sweep Burisma and Hunter under the rug and a billion $$$ loan guarantee
Joe Biden doesn't really come across as some master schemer, though. Seems to be somewhat dysfunctional mental-wise. This leak (assuming it is real) would not have come from anyone who wanted to control Joe Biden, that much should be obvious, no?
And I really doubt we'll see Hunter having any role in the new government or be sent to trips for it.
Bugfatty300
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It's so hilarious to see this last ditch desperate Hunter stuff fizzle and poof in the news cycle. Trump has dug his own grave by making every possible dirt he can dig up on someone else look like stale peanuts compared his own unending gallery of filth.
innonimatu
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With the "electability" talk the dirty trick against Sanders was pulled in the first primary. The rest followed and by the time of the night of droppings he was already losing, but losing thanks to that dirty trick of sabotaging the voting and proclaiming a false winner. Ironically (this is full of ironies) what some people claim to fear in the real election.
But Sanders also screwed up with the team he selected, too much into the identity politics thing. This was a bad year, seeing both Corbyn and Sanders falling into obvious traps.
It's hard to believe Sanders would've gotten anywhere near the support he did without championing diversity, inclusion and other progressive values.
I think he didn't outright tie poor people issues to minority issues, in the 2016 campaign.
Not saying this is what harmed him - I think he just got played by the DNC and their orchestrated mass-resigning of other centrists, while the pitiful Warren stayed in the race to take as many votes as possible from Bern.
Anyway, that all is yesterday's scandal. Bernie can't run in four years, so hopefully it will be AOC then.
I also think that Corbyn was massively better than Bernie, and still had the system attack him at all corners. Maybe they couldn't brand Bernie an antisemite cause he is jewish.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I maintain that Sanders just lost by ultimately having many policy goals that most Americans find unpalatable.
Most other candidates didn’t have the name recognition or credentials as compared to Biden. Castro? Booker? Maybe Bloomberg was the most dangerous opponent since he had virtually unlimited funds and he was the Mayor of New York, probably the most prestigious office outside of being President or Governor of California (my own opinion.)
Most other candidates didn’t have the name recognition or credentials as compared to Biden. Castro? Booker? Maybe Bloomberg was the most dangerous opponent since he had virtually unlimited funds and he was the Mayor of New York, probably the most prestigious office outside of being President or Governor of California (my own opinion.)
They tried, briefly, and it fell completely flat (because, yeah). Just goes to show the same playbook being used against left-of-centre candidates.
Zardnaar
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Sanders never had a majority or close to it.
He's more popular online than irl.
At best 15% of Americans supported him. Probably more like 10%.
American elections borked but not that borked.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I think he ended up outperforming in 2016 as he was the only major challenger to Clinton. People will say Warren split the left-wing of the party’s vote, but I don’t think she took away enough from him to explain the performance gap this year vs. 4 years ago.
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