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[warpus]

Could just be a demand for that profession in Norway and not much supply.. and where there is an opportunity, our people will follow.

 

[Domen]

^ Or a lack of demand for carpenters in Poland. Which pushes many carpenters to emigrate.

Perhaps both factors combined.

 

[Lohrenswald]

So why do you think are people of just one profession so overrepresented among immigrants in Norway?

It is not like carpenters are so overrepresented in Poland itself. A profession like any other, not so terribly popular.

Your post #68 sounded like you really believed that 40% (or something like this) of the population of Poland are carpenters.

For some reason you are getting our carpenters, and this reason is NOT because we have tons of carpenters.

Oh
I meant most polish people in Norway are carpenters

Well, I can't be 100 % sure of that. But there are many polish people working in construction and carpenting. Overall this is about like physical labour most ethnic norwegians don't work in, and polish people come and do it rather cheaply

I don't try to be offensive in any way, but there are infact economical differences between countries. So many people in Poland find they can earn money in Norway, mainly in physical labour

 

[Domen]

^ In Poland physical labourers don't get paid much, so they prefer to work in places where employers pay much.

OTOH, Poland has an influx of Ukrainians and the like, who still get paid better in Poland than in their own countries.

But if we manage to get Ukraine into the European Union, THEN you will see a real westward invasion. Poland too.

 

[warpus]

My dad worked in New Jersey many years ago building homes and such, doing .. carpentry-like work perhaps? He says that it was mostly Poles, as well as other Slavic representatives, such as Russians, Czechs, etc. Everyone learned Polish though, because the majority of the workers and superiors were Polish.

Was good money, he said! But mind you this was right after we moved to Canada - he has a physics degree, but it was very hard for him to get it accredited or to find physics-related work. So he relied on his Polish muscles to provide for the family.

Just a personal anecdote.

 

[Domen]

I've heard that most of Polish emigrants in Britain or elsewhere are educated, with university degrees.

Another issue is - how useful in the labor market are their degrees ???

For example if someone graduated in, say, Polish Philology, then they can only harvest strawberries.

 

[The_J]

but I don't get why the Turks seem to be all over Central Europe

After the war Germany imported many "guest workers", a good part being Turkish.
Not sure about the other countries though.
Thought Germans or Indonesians would be biggest foreigners group in NL, but can't find the source anymore.

and why there are so many Romanians in Spain and Italy.

I guess a part of this is that Romanian is, as Spanish and Italian, a romanian language. Means Romanians have it a bit easier there, because it's easier to understand things (if not talking, then at least reading). That's my guess.

 

[Kyriakos]

Spoiler :

European countries by 2nd largest nationality

Hm, the largest minority in Hungary is Romanian?

I didn't expect that

(also, the Cyprus one is surely trolling )

 

[Domen]

And I didn't expect Ukrainians to be the largest minority in Czech Republic!

 

[Civ'ed]

look at all those tasty russian minorities

 

[Domen]

Guess the map:

 

[Kyriakos]

Guess the map:

Countries that ruined Poland?

 

[warpus]

Something vodka origins something something.

 

[Domen]

^ Kyriakos - nope. That would be Mexico (that ruined Poland):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_cochineal#Trade

(...) The advent of cheaper Mexican cochineal led to an abrupt slump in the Polish cochineal trade, and the 1540s saw a steep decline in quantities of the red dye exported from Poland. In 1547, Polish cochineal disappeared from the Poznań customs registry; a Volhynian clerk noted in 1566 that the dye no longer paid in Gdańsk. Perennial knawel plantations were replaced with cereal fields or pastures for raising cattle. Polish cochineal, which until then was mostly an export product, continued to be used locally by the peasants who collected it; it was employed not only for dyeing fabric but also as a vodka colorant, an ingredient in folk medicine, or even for decorative coloring of horses' tails.[7]

(...)

The historical importance of the Polish cochineal is still reflected in most modern Slavic languages where the words for the color red and for the month of June both derive from the Proto-Slavic *čьrvь (probably pronounced [t͡ʃĭrwĭ]), meaning "a worm" or "larva".[9] (See examples in the table below.) In the Czech language, as well as old Bulgarian, this is true for both June and July, the two months when harvest of the insect's larvae was possible. In modern Polish, czerwiec is a word for June, as well as for the Polish cochineal (czerwiec polski) and its host plant, the perennial knawel (czerwiec trwały). (...)

As for the map - it shows habitats of the Polish cochineal. Or rather:

"Area where the Polish cochineal was found in commercial quantities"

Something vodka origins something something.

Quite close!:

"(...) it was employed not only for dyeing fabric but also as a vodka colorant (...)"

 

[Domen]

I just want to add, that areas inhabited by the Polish cochineal = areas which should be parts of Poland.

Also the colors of the Polish flag can be explained by the Polish cochineal, which was used to produce red dye.

The other half of the flag perhaps means "we surrender" (or: "not enough cochineal to dye the whole thing"). ^^

 

[warpus]

 

[gay_Aleks]

What exactly does "Liberal" mean?

 

[warpus]

In Poland's case at least, it's liberal conservatism. I think.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Man if you identified yourself as a "liberal conservative" in America most people would think you're a weirdo.

 

[Civ'ed]

Since this is the altered maps thread and I can thus plug my work here: