Altered maps VIII: World borders just got garbage-dayed

[TheLastOne36]

Proposed Dene-Caucasian languages superfamily.



Yes, you're looking at it right the Basque are Chinese.

I read that. The chance of the Basques being related to East Asians linguistically are highly unlikely IMO. The guy that proposes this goes by coincidences between the languages which are likely no more than coincidences.

Besides, that is only linguistically, the original inhabitants of Euskara likely were added to the indoeuropean gene pool.

 

[Traitorfish]

Besides, that is only linguistically, the original inhabitants of Euskara likely were added to the indoeuropean gene pool.

I think that was a joke. That association between language and "race" has been pretty thoroughly discredited is fairly common knowledge.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

I don't have the software to do this, but would someone mind super-imposing the upside down map over a "traditional" style of map? I think that'd be really awesome

 

[Cynovolans]

Besides, that is only linguistically, the original inhabitants of Euskara likely were added to the indoeuropean gene pool.

While I agree that the Dene-Caucasian family doesn't really have much evidence to support it, this statement has got me confused because the Indo-European genes(R1a) don't exist in significant numbers among the Basque populations(mostly R1b).

 

[Perfection]

I don't have the software to do this, but would someone mind super-imposing the upside down map over a "traditional" style of map? I think that'd be really awesome

 

[Ajidica]

Here is my first attempt at a map. It isn't that great, but here it goes.
Basicaly it is the Cominterns view on the world during the Cold War. (No specific time.)

Color code:
1. The most glorious Soviet Union! The workers paradise!
Seeing the Secretariat drive fancy cars is Marx's way of saying keep working!
2. Evil dirty imperialist capitalist westerners.
The USSR may not treat the workers the best, but at least we have a superior ideology!
3. Turning to the right.
Unfortunatly, they had Thatcher or someone similar.
4. Wussy commies.
Bloody Eurocommies. Not good for anything besides rioting and arguing with themselves about the nature of government. Real Commies stage the October Revolution!
5. Maoist Counter-revolutionaries.
Blech.
6. Wussy reformists.
Don't they undestand, we are Marxist-Leninist! We have to be more Lenin than Lenin.
7. At least they don't like the west.
8. Let's have a Revolution!
The proletariat are unhappy..... The country is moderatly industrialized...
RAISE THE RED STAR!!
9. Better red than dead!
Sure, they aren't even remotely industrialized, but a communist revolution is better than fascism any day of the week!
10. Commies, but not athiests yet.
It sucks we have to get our oil from them.
11. American Imperialists/Puppet states.
Why must they be so insidious, stopping the Workers Revolution?
12. At least they are commies.
Really, we can't say anything else about them that is positive.
13. Stupid fascists kicking out the communist president.

 

[say1988]

Out of curiosity, who is Canada's Thatcher?

 

[Traitorfish]

Out of curiosity, who is Canada's Thatcher?

Why, Thatcher! Don't you know that we've been secretly ruling Canada the whole time?

 

[amadeus]

Canada's Thatcher would have been Brian Mulroney.

A few historical issues with that map: Austria was never socialist in the Marxist-Leninist model so they should be neutral.

In the African area, you've left out Libya (non-Marxist Soviet ally), Ethiopia, and the "smaller" allies of Benin, Congo, and Mozambique. Similarly, South Africa should be included in whatever anti-communist (they were really anti-communist) group and should similarly be occupying South West Africa/Namibia. Morocco should be placed in the pro-West camp as well as Chad, Liberia, and Morocco (among others.)

In America, Venezuela had nothing close to socialism prior to Hugo Chavez and was certainly not under civil war like Colombia. Nicaragua did turn pro-Soviet in about 1980 and then flipped back in 1990.

In Europe, Bulgaria had a much stronger relationship with Moscow than Romania and Yugoslavia did. Zhivkov was ardently pro-Soviet and remained a loyal ally until 1989 when he was deposed.

In Asia, there was no need for revolution in India; India and the Soviet Union had a relationship of mutual cooperation because Pakistan was a pro-West state. North Korea was pro-Moscow, not pro-Beijing. Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, etc. were also all pro-West or at least supported by the West.

Too tired and busy with Japanese homework to go into greater detail. >.<

 

[madviking]

I read that. The chance of the Basques being related to East Asians linguistically are highly unlikely IMO. The guy that proposes this goes by coincidences between the languages which are likely no more than coincidences.

Besides, that is only linguistically, the original inhabitants of Euskara likely were added to the indoeuropean gene pool.

I've read that the Basques are ancestors of the original Iberian inhabitants.

 

[Ajidica]

I included India in the 'communist revolution' catagory as there were viable communist canidates in quite a few districts. In a few communists got elected even.
As for Eastern Europe, my mistake with Bulgaria/Romania.
But yeah, it isn't a very good map.

 

[Traitorfish]

I've read that the Basques are ancestors of the original Iberian inhabitants.

The entire population of Spain is primarily comprised of the "original inhabitants", if we are to take that to refer to the neolithic population- until the modern era, population shifts were rarely significant enough to fundamentally change the genetic make-up of an area. The Basques just retain a pre-Indo-European language.

 

[fizikis]

Spoiler :

That is a good Europe blank too, was supposed to post it in the last thread, but I forgot about it.

I have always wondered about this map - why are there so many more rivers in Iberia than in, say, Baltics? Are there really that many major rivers in Iberia or the mapmakers simply got sloppy with Eastern Europe?

 

[Tee Kay]

Goddamnit. You know, when I went to sleep last night the last thread only needed three more posts... I had an OP ready and everything.

Here is my first attempt at a map. It isn't that great, but here it goes.
Basicaly it is the Cominterns view on the world during the Cold War. (No specific time.)

Spoiler :

Color code:
1. The most glorious Soviet Union! The workers paradise!
Seeing the Secretariat drive fancy cars is Marx's way of saying keep working!
2. Evil dirty imperialist capitalist westerners.
The USSR may not treat the workers the best, but at least we have a superior ideology!
3. Turning to the right.
Unfortunatly, they had Thatcher or someone similar.
4. Wussy commies.
Bloody Eurocommies. Not good for anything besides rioting and arguing with themselves about the nature of government. Real Commies stage the October Revolution!
5. Maoist Counter-revolutionaries.
Blech.
6. Wussy reformists.
Don't they undestand, we are Marxist-Leninist! We have to be more Lenin than Lenin.
7. At least they don't like the west.
8. Let's have a Revolution!
The proletariat are unhappy..... The country is moderatly industrialized...
RAISE THE RED STAR!!
9. Better red than dead!
Sure, they aren't even remotely industrialized, but a communist revolution is better than fascism any day of the week!
10. Commies, but not athiests yet.
It sucks we have to get our oil from them.
11. American Imperialists/Puppet states.
Why must they be so insidious, stopping the Workers Revolution?
12. At least they are commies.
Really, we can't say anything else about them that is positive.
13. Stupid fascists kicking out the communist president.

1. Neither Hungary or Romania were part of the USSR, and (Kazakh+Uzbek+Tajik+Turkmen+Kyrgyz)*Stan were. Neither were particularly close to the USSR (as in, relative to the other Warsaw states). Kadar was not particularly hardline, and Ceaucescu was "Our Commie" to the West.
2. Eh.
3. UK and Canada were both ruled by left-wing governments for some of the time.
4. Fair enough, I guess.
5. The DPRK doesn't really belong to either side of the Sino-Soviet divide but was probably more pro-Moscow. Also, Albania would arguably also count as this post-1967 (and, perhaps, Somalia post-1975).
6. As per amadeus' post, Austria was neutral.
7. To add to amadeus' comments, Pakistan was a key Western/Chinese ally throughout the entire period, as well as Imperial Iran until 1979 and Khomeini had no love for the USSR either. Iraq was pro-West until 1958; after that they start playing both sides. Only Egypt and Syria can really be said to be in Moscow's sphere, and Egypt switched sides after the Yom Kippur War.
8. See amadeus' post.
9. See amadeus' post.
10. See my response for 1. By the way, the Siberian and Baku fields were more important to Soviet oil production IIRC, and the Central Asian fields were relatively recent developments. And Mongolia is and was never an oil producing country.
11. See amadeus' post. Also, shouldn't most of Latin America be this?
12. Why Luxembourg.
13. Oh well.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

My Danish Kingdom in EU3

 

[Traitorfish]

1. Neither Hungary or Romania were part of the USSR, and (Kazakh+Uzbek+Tajik+Turkmen+Kyrgyz)*Stan were. Neither were particularly close to the USSR (as in, relative to the other Warsaw states). Kadar was not particularly hardline, and Ceaucescu was "Our Commie" to the West.

In fact, wasn't Hungary one of the most liberal Warsaw states, with it's "Goulash communism" and all that?

 

[TheLastOne36]

I have always wondered about this map - why are there so many more rivers in Iberia than in, say, Baltics? Are there really that many major rivers in Iberia or the mapmakers simply got sloppy with Eastern Europe?

The Baltics don't have many rivers other than the major one in Latvia.

When looking at Iberia, it may look overdone, but when you think about it, Portugal does have that many rivers which bank in the Atlantic, and those rivers do branch off quite a bit in and throughout Spain.

You'd have to compare with a geographical map of Europe.

edit: He probably did get lazy/sloppy in Estonia though.

 

[Mango Elephant]

I made this in paint! It doesn't have any statistics or anything, I just drew on the countries.



I got kinda bored at the end and just did random faces.

 

[W|M]

subscription post. LULZ at last one.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I like how northern Ireland's on fire