Altered Maps XII: Not to Scale

[Dachs]

Hm, if it were OT there should be a couple more people in Spain and many more in Australia. But it ain't, this one, right?

As mentioned before, that is the NES forum, circa 2008.

 

[JohannaK]

I know. Hence the "If it were".

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Spoiler :

It looked vaguely like that ^.

I, for one, welcome our NES overlord.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

I really should update that thing... most of those NESers have gone inactive by now, and a lot of new blood has come into the forum. And thank you Cata.

 

[Winner]

If we're going by postcount, Central Europe is all mine. Bow before me, underlings

 

[Leoreth]

Here's an interesting challenge for all of you:

Make a map of the United States (or Europe) based on if each CFC poster controlled a region around where they lived, with the members with higher posts counts annexing others and controlling larger amounts of land.

Shouldn't be that hard. Give me your coordinates and I'll simply use a weighted Voronoi diagram (best weighted with the logarithm of post count or something like that, to avoid certain posters dominating huge areas ).

 

[Omega124]

Indeed that should be updated; I'm not on it

 

[Save_Ferris]

Maybe the mods could each have their own country, with the lesser posters being cities?

 

[Dachs]

If we're going by postcount, Central Europe is all mine. Bow before me, underlings

Wow. I hadn't realized how scanty Central Europe is there. Looks like the next highest PC after you is...holy king?

I guess we could give all the people with massive PC in the American Northeast that are so close together some 'colonies'

 

[aronnax]

This is my attempt at a speculative history of the world in 2062 with bits of realism and fantasy just thrown in randomly.

The European Union
Following the banking and debt crisis, the European Union will further their integration as one federal state. Starting with a banking union, EU member states grudgingly or enthusiastically, enacted a series of reforms that brought together Europe, such as a Federal Tax, a unified army command, stronger powers to the European President, a singular foreign policy and more.

The Arab Maghreb Republic

It started out first as a unified court. As a means to protect the newly won freedoms of the post-revolutionary states of Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, the three nations instituted a supra-national Supreme Court, staffed with 3 Egyptian Judges, 2 Tunisians and 2 Libyans. Next came the idea for a common market and a single currency. Then, a Maghreb parliament. It wasn't long before the three states joined together as the Arab Maghreb Republic. After a series of popular democratic reforms, Algeria joined Maghreb in 2038. Sudan was admitted as a member in 2053. Morocco initially showed interest in the union, adopting the single currency and adhering to the customs union. But it stopped short of full political integration, declining to send delegates to the common parliament.

The Kingdoms of Arabia

The Kingdoms of Arabia first existed as the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf. Much like the Arab Maghreb, it initiated reforms behind a single custom union and currency. However, as the political unity of the Maghreb Republic increased, it posed a challenge to regional power of Saudi Arabia. The other Gulf monarchies were also fearful of a rising Iran, the end of their petroleum economies and the influence of a large and progressive Arab state to their west. As a conservative counterweight to the Maghreb, the Gulf monarchies entered an increasingly united federation, based off the UAE. In 2029, the Kingdom intervened in the Second Yemeni Civil War and restored the King of Yemen before admitting it into the Union. Although they lacked monarchies, Djbouti and Comoros, joined the Kingdom in 2043 and 2035 respectively. They were styled as Presidential Princes.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Levant

Jordan and Lebanon intervened in the Syrian Civil War in 2013, toppling Assad from power. Although at that time, neither country sought to annex Syrian land, they began to occupy Syria and prepared to handover power to the Syrian Opposition Groups. Considered, the accidental union, Jordan and Lebanon allowed their currency to circulate in Syria, as well as negotiated the removal of trade boundaries in certain basic amenities. Meanwhile, as the Syrian Opposition groups failed to make leeway in national reconciliation, the popularity of Lebanon and Jordanian Government grew. Eventually, there was popular support for further integration with Jordan and Lebanon which resulted in the Kingdom of Levant.

As regional blocs grew integrated, Iraq grew increasingly unstable. Popular movements grew to join either the Kingdom of Levant or the Kingdom of Arabia. However, such movements were unpopular with the Shia and Kurdish Community. Eventually, the three main regions of Iraq broke off. A short war was quickly resolved by UN negotiation, and the three states agreed to dissolve Iraq. Kurdistan, despite Turkish objections, declared her independence. Central-West Iraq sought to join the Levant. Some fear that South Iraq would join Iran. Other feel that it will be exist as a buffer state between Iran and Arabia.

 

[Winner]

Levant is hilariously unrealistic, but I guess that's one of the fantastic elements.

What happened in Pakistan, Ukraine, Israel, the grey areas of Iraq, Cyprus, and Russia? And why isn't Switzerland (and possibly the rump Israel you've graciously let alive) a member of the EU yet? Also, Turkey and Levant really need to let their Kurds join up with the Iraqi Kurdistan...)

 

[aronnax]

Levant is hilariously unrealistic, but I guess that's one of the fantastic elements.

Yeah, in my head, I wanted the Levant area to be some sort of diplomatic battleground between the Maghreb and Arabia. This was the best possible scenario of that occuring. Completely dumb though.

What happened in Pakistan, Ukraine, Israel, the grey areas of Iraq, Cyprus, and Russia? And why isn't Switzerland (and possibly the rump Israel you've graciously let alive) a member of the EU yet? Also, Turkey and Levant really need to let their Kurds join up with the Iraqi Kurdistan...)

Oh, Pakistan collapsed into warlordism with Islamist, authoritative strongmen, proxy states of Iran, Russia, India and China thrown in (India then proceeded to restore Kashmir to herself). Russia admitted Belarus into the Federation, Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war between pro-Europe and pro Russian blocs, creating tensions between Brussels and Moscow. The grey areas are disputed areas between the three Iraqi territories and what about Cyprus?

Switzerland is left alone cause I think they wouldn't want a political union. You know, neutrality to the point that they joined the U.N in 2002?
I left Israel alone as some sort of negotiated thing between the Arab League and Europe. The pressure of three united Arab states made Israel more willing to negotiate. Europe and America cut a deal with them. Israel will withdraw from the Golan Height, Palestine and Gaza, Old Town Jerusalem, either a UN Zone or a condominium between Israel, the Arab League and the EU and the Arab League recognises Israel, instates a 15km demilitarised zone and pays repatriation money.

I love Turkey too much to let it lose Kurdistan. Plus, Iraq breaking up is more realistic than Turkey breaking up. (Hashemite Kingdom of Levant aside)

 

[Winner]

Oh, Pakistan collapsed into warlordism with Islamist, authoritative strongmen, proxy states of Iran, Russia, India and China thrown in (India then proceeded to restore Kashmir to herself).

So, are the warlords tossing nukes around?

Russia admitted Belarus into the Federation, Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war between pro-Europe and pro Russian blocs, creating tensions between Brussels and Moscow.

Both are unrealistic to the point of parody. Ukraine will not split, and definitely not descend into a civil war. Just because it is a country in Eastern Europe doesn't make it prone to such insanity. There is probably a greater chance for a civil war in Belgium than in Ukraine (That is, none at all).

Belarus will not join Russia, not under Lukashenko, and definitely not under any democratic government that will succeed him.

The grey areas are disputed areas between the three Iraqi territories and what about Cyprus?

It's united.

Switzerland is left alone cause I think they wouldn't want a political union. You know, neutrality to the point that they joined the U.N in 2002?

Still, with the whole of Europe now in the EU, it would be pretty hard for Switzerland to stay out.

I left Israel alone as some sort of negotiated thing between the Arab League and Europe. The pressure of three united Arab states made Israel more willing to negotiate. Europe and America cut a deal with them. Israel will withdraw from the Golan Height, Palestine and Gaza, Old Town Jerusalem, either a UN Zone or a condominium between Israel, the Arab League and the EU and the Arab League recognises Israel, instates a 15km demilitarised zone and pays repatriation money.

Well in that case it would definitely join the EU. It has already considered applying for membership, but so far the conflict in the region has prevented serious discussion about it. If the problem was solved and Israel was left isolated and surrounded by big Arab countries, its motivation to integrate itself into the closest bloc of Western states would surely grow. Perhaps not full integration, but a strong association is very likely.

I love Turkey too much to let it lose Kurdistan. Plus, Iraq breaking up is more realistic than Turkey breaking up. (Hashemite Kingdom of Levant aside)

With a nation state for the Kurds in existence, Kurdish nationalism would surely grow all around. Actually I think it likely that in such a case Turkey and Iran would happily cooperate to crush the new state.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Iran and Somalia, two of the most unstable countries in the world, are exactly the same?

 

[JohannaK]

Because fantasy.

 

[Tee Kay]

Somalia is kinda in a state of stable instability.

 

[JohannaK]

If that is possible, I guess it might be the most accurate description.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Somalia is kinda in a state of stable instability.

Half of Somalia is relatively stable with a working government. They would like to suceed from the rest of the nation (the failed part). A lot of people don't know this.

 

[Civ'ed]

Still, with the whole of Europe now in the EU, it would be pretty hard for Switzerland to stay out.

in Switzerland important decisions are done by referendum - there's not enough support for EU membership at any given point in time.

 

[gangleri2001]

Does anyone has any editor-friendly map which depicts independent South Sudan?