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Ask A Red: The IVth International

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheezy the Wiz, Mar 12, 2013.

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  1. Praise_Satan

    Praise_Satan Warlord

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    Now you're just being delusional.

    Reporters without borders press freedom index 2013:
    1. Finland - commies burning books and censoring 60 years ago

    32. The USA

    117. Venezuela

    171. Cuba
    172. Vietnam
    173. China - commies censoring media and jailing journalists even today
    Out of 179 countries.

    Why is it so in these countries? Why no free press?
     
  2. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    @Praise_Satan: You will have to do better than that. I and much of the world's press does not consider Reporters without borders to be a legitimate journalistic endeavour. Reporters without Borders Fraud is well documented:

    So, as long as the US government is footing the bill, it's okay?
     
  3. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    Praise Satan is not here to ask questions out of curiosity. He's clearly here to provoke a reaction. Ignore him.

    Perhaps not in principle, at least in my opinion. However, liberal democracies as they are certainly don't go far enough in furthering social justice and are beset by structural (and incidental) flaws that do make them retain a certain degree of oppressiveness.
     
  4. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Thanks, Aelf, for bringing this here.

    Right, the idea of the "superman," or "overman" was perverted by the Nazis which is how we got the "master race" theory. Nietzsche of course didn't do this, being dead by then, but I agree with Aelf, that the prospect of mastering your own fate for the individual, as a member of a an oppressed class, is much more possible under a Marxist formulation. Of course, if you were the member of the oppressing class (the 1%, rather the 0.1% or less, than capitalism is your system -- because it is DESIGNED to benefit the few at the expense of the many. You will get ahead, but leave many behind you.

    Under socialism, you can get ahead and leave only the bourgeoisie behind you.

    Also, don't anyone here confuse "vanguard" with "overman," because I do not seek personal power, I seek power for the class.

    Hope that helps.

    QFT

    Oppression is not always the policeman's baton -- it can be the slow, whittling away of your rights, your buying power and your control over living and working conditions. The shared wealth of an oil-rich capitalist economy with a social-democratic government, like Norway, is not oppression of the Norwegian workers, by any stretch (though Richard Cribb may have more to say), but it is different than Venezuela using oil money to better not only their domestic population, but those in other Latin American countries, like the 300,000 Bolivians who got their sight back through Mision Milagro surgeries.

    I am not as critical of a Norway or Finland as I am a Germany, France or USA, because the former two, while not proletarian governments, are not unfavorablet to socialism, while the latter three, in spite of France's "socialist" President and in spite of Barack Obama receiving the wholesale endorsement of CPUSA, are the centers for the world's reactionary forces against socialism.

    The two systems have different aims.
     
  5. ace99

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    I heard this from Fox News 12 which means its surely untrue.
     
  6. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Sorry, ace, got some bad news for you:

    Why Vote? is a CPUSA article. They endorsed Obama:

    If that is not an endorsement, I don't know what is. I am saying more about Obama than about CPUSA.
     
  7. Praise_Satan

    Praise_Satan Warlord

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    Liberal democracies have their problems but they don't build walls to keep people in, they build walls to keep people out.
     
  8. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    As a dissident party member, I can assure you it is most assuredly true. They view their support as tactical, an effort to break the power of the Radical Right. But I see that as a mistake. The Democrats are no better than the GOP, as Obama has proven, and possibly worse for us, because his progressive rhetoric falsely associates him with us (such as the Right so love to do), and refusing to distance ourselves from him risks legitimizing that Rightist accusation. Further, the Party is so afraid of the Right, that it refuses to criticize Obama. At this point, I'm not sure any more that the leadership aren't truly revisionists.
     
  9. Praise_Satan

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    How many thousands of web sites are censored in these socialist republics? Exactly. Why is a site like Youtube banned in China? What right does the government have to ban it? Is it the will of the people or the will of an individual?

    Oppressors of the common man, typical socialist rulers. These socialist oppressors are taking away peoples right to their own thought. Not enough for the tyrants to control everything around the people, they want to invade the peoples brain as well.

    All the socialist republics of today have dreadful press freedom situation. Same goes for the socialist countries of the past. I'm sure a lot of other NGOs than just RWB agree.
     
  10. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Any particular reason you are singling out "Socialist" states when your criticisms are just as valid when directed at military governments such as el Proceso in Argentina or Pinochet's Chile or the Sordid Little Dictatorships that have sprung up all over the developing world since WWII that are all equally authoritarian? Digging further back we can find all sorts of nasty, authoritarian, censorship-loving regimes in inter-war Europe that were decidedly anti-Socialist.
     
  11. ace99

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    Hah thats so weird. Are you sure they're not just Gorbachevesque social democrats?
     
  12. Azale

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    If they are they need to rename themselves. CPUSA makes me think of heroic (and borderline insane) volunteers deep in the heart of 1930s Alabama, organizing equally heroic black sharecroppers. Back then, their opponents didn't just call them names and marginalize them politically, they killed and terrorized them.
     
  13. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    I can hardly wish for such a time to return, you understand. I've read The Iron Heel and seen The Murder of Fred Hampton...
     
  14. Atticus

    Atticus Deity Retired Moderator

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    Moderator Action: Praise_Satan, note that this thread isn't for arguing against reds. You can do that elsewhere. This thread is for asking questions. You also might want to take a look at the forum rules.
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

     
  15. Tahuti

    Tahuti Writing Deity

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    This isn't "Ask A Brownshirt", so it's quite obvious he singles out Socialist states.
     
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    What are yall's views on Hoxha and Hoxhaism?
     
  17. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    For real, one of our volunteers named her son Enver after him.

    Just as I said about Juche and North Korea, a nation and a people find their own path to socialism. I hesitate to call what Hoxha did "Hoxhaism," as much as what people like to call what Moa did "Maosim.". Hoxha was a Marxist-Leninist, and from the outside "Marxist-Leninist" as a term evokes some pretty fierce reaction, that's why I shield myself with the anonymity of this forum, but to the general public, I pretty much look like my avatar --really, the suit, tie and all -- and I speak in terms of everyday phraseology to explain the desirability of Socialism in my organizing with using buzz words that cause reaction.

    What leaders do with their Marxist-Leninism also evokes reaction, but I think Enver Hoxha was an extraordinary leader during some extraordinary times for fledgling nation like Albania.


    That's what I have for now.
     
  18. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Decent nation-builder. Not that great a socialist or person.

    But in the name category, his badassery excels.
     
  19. Lone Wolf

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    So, who here would support the Afghan mojaheds against Soviet social-imperialism?
     
  20. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Speaking for myself, I would not and IT would not call what the USSR was doing "Soviet social-imperialism.". That is the term Fidel warned the non-Aligned movement in his Speech to the Fouth Cnference f Non-Aligned Nation, September 1973. My dentist was a maxillio-facial surgeon in the Red Army during that war, and she saw more than her share of what the "mojaheds" did with American money and weapons. It was not imperialism by any stretch of the definition -- and you should look that word up -- any more than my mowing my neighbr's lawns was an invasion.
     
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