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Brexit Thread III - How to instantly polarise your country without even trying

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Arakhor, Oct 26, 2017.

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  1. Silurian

    Silurian Deity

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    Large numbers of people do want to retire to Spain etc.

    If they can no longer go there they will have to stay in the UK.
    Older people use more medical services, Spain is better for their health.
    So they will stay in the UK and eat some of the £350m/ week.
     
  2. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    I don't really get this, though.
    How is a full one eight of your population being "foreign-born" not being pretty huge ? Especially as you consider full integration requires several generations, so that "not fully integrated" population is quite higher than that.
    I'd say it's the OECD average which is abnormally high.
     
  3. Arwon

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    That's a deeply troubling take tbh
     
  4. EnglishEdward

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    Do you think that the Spaniards look after therm for free?

    Yes, they could retire and stay in the UK or go elsewhere in the world.

    One of the reasons they go to Spain is because the UK government
    increases their UK old age pension by the triple lock formula, there
    is no such increase if they were to go to Australia or Florida etc.

    There is simply no reason why the great majority of people living in
    the UK should just surrender their sovereignty to being ruled as a
    colony of a continental european state merely for the convenience of
    those who have already decided to desert the United Kingdom.
     
  5. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    If that was the full and entirely accurate point of it all, then I'd agree. Obviously, it's neither of those.
     
  6. Manfred Belheim

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    Yes because obviously letting children vote is a great idea.
     
  7. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    No, that's just basic logic about how groups work.
     
  8. EnglishEdward

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    This begs the question as to what are the privileges/benefits of EU membership to the UK?

    Your pro EU team here on this thread has had 24 hours to identify the privileges/benefits
    the UK is giving up; and so far only Silurian has been able to come up with any;

    (a) taking up jobs without needing a visa; and
    (b) retiring to Spain without needing to apply for a visa

    attempts by others to queer the debate by throwing in loaded terms
    like "dirty foreigners" and "swamped" really don't impress me.
     
  9. AmazonQueen

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    Medical treatment in the EU without having to pay
    Free trade in goods and services
    EU laws protecting our health, environment, food etc
    Ofc silly idiots that we are we think opting out of the Working Time Directive and still having to use passports when travelling to/from Europe are good things but those were benefits available to us
     
  10. Senethro

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    Who asked this? Who set the time limit?

    And why do you get to ignore my question 36 hours ago about the benefits of leaving with no deal?

    What debate? You avoided the question then posted some more blather where you claim special knowledge of the mind of the british people, but actually just insert your own brand of bollocks into what they supposedly think.

    I mocked it a bit because thats apparently the only way to get a response, but also because I'm suspicious that you're an ideologue that can only see Britishness in opposition to other identities.
     
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  11. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    a) Why didnt the UK have a tempoary Ban on Poland and Romania immigrants like the Germany and the Rest of the EU
    b) Why dont you just change the welfare benefits like the Germany and the Rest of the EU
    c) If you want access to the EU common market your going to have accept as the weaker economy give concession to the large economy. Its just the way the world works
    d) If you going to Hard brexit you should probably start planning for it. Id imagine the US trade war is going to be exhibit A in what happens when you dont plan thing through
     
  12. Senethro

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    Come on Manfred, you're a UK citizen. Have an opinion of your own here in this thread. Don't just be a pedant about dictionary definitions or reach for the lowest of hanging sarcasms. Express something.
     
  13. Yeekim

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    If one believes there aren't any then there is no need for any kind of deal, is there?

    Of course, access to common market feels like a benefit looking from this side, but hey.
     
  14. EnglishEdward

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    It is not free, as I understand it either the customer pays, their insurance company pays or the EU states recharge the NHS.


    In my opinion, the benefits of free trade are greatly overrated. It simply means that those countries with the
    more efficient operators knock out their competitors and/or the capitalists with the largest wallets buy them up
    until they become oligo-monopolists. And the single market in services is a joke. There are still many barriers.


    The UK can and has passed plenty of laws on all of these. We don't need a nanny EU. Many EU laws are EU protectionism.
    For instance the water I drink is treated with chlorine so I don't mind eating USA chickens washed with chlorinated water.


    I don't know who you work for. But there are very many UK employers whose attitude is you work the hours I say or I will
    find some one else who will. And they will do exactly that. And their Bulgarian/Latvian staff etc won't question that either. After a
    while most people realise that it is not a good idea to even mention the WTD there as they will be the first to let go in a downturn.


    We in the UK still have to use passports, even as members of the EU.

    And in practice one can not easily book flights, even internal flights within the UK, with most airlines without having a passport.
     
  15. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    We let them have sex and we used to let them smoke. We even let 17-year-old children drive.
     
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    But you don't have to pay again like you would in say the US



    Most exporting businesses would disagree with you. We run a trade surplus with the EU, mostly due to services. French banks are salivating at our exit.



    On things like air quality we do need the EU (and the ECJ to force our government to actually enforce the rules it signs up to).

    I hope you're looking forward to the GM crops and hormone and antibiotic stuffed meat the US wants to sell us as part of a free trade deal with it.



    Which is why it needs to be properly enforced.


    Nobodies fault but our own.
     
  17. Hrothbern

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    See below article from the Guardian.
    Will the transition period, now incl 2019 and 2020, be extended with another two years ?
    I understand that the govn, the OBR, has planned to pay 9 billion Euro per year in 2019-2020
    With two more years transition, while still paying 9 billion per year.... Raab, May can say "hey... we never paid that 39 Billion"



     
  18. Arakhor

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    Raab can say what he likes but May already committed to covering the shortfall in UK payments.
     
  19. Silurian

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    Yes the Spanish government charges them.

    But the thing is because they spend the the winter in in a warm dry climate they have less illness.
    If they get something serious but can still fly they will come back here and use the NHS.

    If the UK does not allow UK pensioners to travel stay as they please anywhere in the EU they will stay at home and eat the £350m/week.



    I have about a months of food in my house but only two weeks of beer should I be worried!

    From The Guardian

    .https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-brexit-survival-guide-what-food-to-stockpile
     
  20. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    "Full integration" into what? A working class Glaswegian whose parents happen to be from Pakistan is going to appear a lot more "integrated" into his neighbourhood than a toff from the Home Counties.
     
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