Brexit Thread V - The Final Countdown?!?

[AmazonQueen]

And Boundary Commission changes in NI are controversial https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...nges-undemocratic-dup-sinn-fein-a8255851.html

 

[Takhisis]

Brexit may seem important now, but in a few years it wont feature much in the mess to come.

We could just not make a mess in the first place.

I'm sure most English regard themselves as foreigners when they're actually outside England.

Actually I've heard the word ‘expat’ a lot.

 

[AmazonQueen]

We could just not make a mess in the first place.

Actually I've heard the word ‘expat’ a lot.

I think theres a suspicion in Europe that we went in to make a mess. The attitude to the EEC before we started negotiating to join varied between condescension and hostility on the part of British governments and the F.O.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Strictly speaking we're all foriegners to somebody.

Right, and that somebody is the English.

This reminds me of my friend who's French and married with a Scottish woman. They both live in Southampton and in their street they are known as "the foreigners".

 

[Takhisis]

I think theres a suspicion in Europe that we went in to make a mess. The attitude to the EEC before we started negotiating to join varied between condescension and hostility on the part of British governments and the F.O.

The UK has a rebate already but it is still being ‘cheated’.

Of course, the historical definition, in practical terms, of ‘free trade’ has been ‘let us sell your subjects drugs and guns to kill each other while we buy your raw materials at firesale values’ and industrialisation has been ‘you close down your factories and we'll sell you the same products at higher prices than you're producing right now’, so, as a professional interpreter, there is some linguistic confusion at work, I daresay.

 

[Broken_Erika]

The UK has a rebate already but it is still being ‘cheated’.

Of course, the historical definition, in practical terms, of ‘free trade’ has been ‘let us sell your subjects drugs and guns to kill each other while we buy your raw materials at firesale values’ and industrialisation has been ‘you close down your factories and we'll sell you the same products at higher prices than you're producing right now’, so, as a professional interpreter, there is some linguistic confusion at work, I daresay.

Pax Britannia!

 

[Hrothbern]

UK may slash trade tariffs under a no-deal Brexit
The UK government may cut trade tariffs on between 80% and 90% of goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit, reports say.
Some tariffs would be scrapped completely, including those on car parts, and some agricultural produce.

The lower your tariffs (on goods), the less protection for your domestic economy (of goods), and the less bargaining power in FTA's to give some partners a lower tariff in exchange for a lower tariff from them on some export goods from your own economy.
And the more your currency (devaluation) becomes your tool to protect your domestic economy and increase export.
The advantage of zero tariffs on many imported goods is less pressure on low income groups. Inflation will be easier to control as well. A zero tariff on car parts protects the UK car industry to some degree (to export cars at the same effective price level to the EU, the Pound needs a 10% devaluation to overcome the 10% tariff the EU has in its WTO list and some more devaluation for the customs and non-tariff-barrier cost).

It was promised that the full tariff list would be made public on last Monday.
Today we get a non-binding indication only. The promise is now that the list will be made public after the meaningfull vote(s) next week in case this would mean leaving with no-deal.
Apparently the info and consequences are not convenient for the PM to share with the MP's before they vote...

Business Secretary Greg Clark told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that new tariff schedules would be published only after next week's Commons vote on Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal if it became clear the UK would be leaving the EU without a deal.

The changes would have "big implications" for some sectors, he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47463893

Liam Fox does not agree to this zero tariff thinking because he is the one losing bargaining power for "his" FTA's:

Appearing before the International Trade Select Committee on 6 February, Liam Fox said he was carefully considering all the options for tariffs in the event of no deal.

"Unilateral liberalisation [reducing tariffs to zero] is not what I would propose, and I have not heard anyone else in government propose it," he said.

"Throughout, there needs to be a balance between the impact on consumers and the impact on producers. The government are very clear that they need to give protection where necessary, but without becoming protectionist."

The basic dilemma is who to protect: the UK consumers or the UK producers (of food and goods).

 

[Manfred Belheim]

When explosives are posted from Ireland to England it has something to do with Northern Ireland. Heathrow has been targeted by the IRA and so have central London train stations.

If it was a right wing group it is unlikely they would have posted them from Ireland as they are more likely to be spotted. The targets are more likely to have been a pro remain MP, a mosque etc. If it was environmental again it would not be from Ireland. They could send something to an airport but they support trains so that's unlikely.

From 2014.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/20/four-arrested-derry-new-ira-letter-bomb-plot-england

Hmm. There seems to be an obvious and glaring omission in your analysis of potential terrorist sources there.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Actually I've heard the word ‘expat’ a lot.

Yeah but that's British using that term for other British people. I'm sure the locals don't call them expats (cue inevitable sarky responses).

 

[Hrothbern]

Hmm. There seems to be an obvious and glaring omission in your analysis of potential terrorist sources there.

Do you mean some Brexiteer splinters ?

 

[Kyriakos]

So, plenty of time left (22,5 days). What other garbage-day plots await?
Silent night, eu night.

 

[Takhisis]

Yeah but that's British using that term for other British people. I'm sure the locals don't call them expats (cue inevitable sarky responses).

Well… in the ‘local’ languages people tend to disproportionately use their name for England as a synonym for ‘Great Britain’ or ‘the UK’.

 

[metatron]

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You know those cute girlish personifications cgp grey uses, for, say, US states?

I am now imagining girlish NM going: "Nope! Not having any of that nonsense."
With crossed arms and a huff and all.

 

[Silurian]

Hmm. There seems to be an obvious and glaring omission in your analysis of potential terrorist sources there.

There was a letter bomb campaign in 2014 by republicans which I have already linked.

There was a previous letter bomb campaign was in 2007, but it was domestic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7017943.stm

Can you think of a group that is likely to post letter bombs from Ireland to the UK.
There are many post offices in London and the rest of the UK, there are seven within half hour walk of my current location.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Can you think of a group that is likely to post letter bombs from Ireland to the UK.
There are many post offices in London and the rest of the UK, there are seven within half hour walk of my current location.

No, no... you listed a wider range of potential sources, which you then ruled out because they wouldn't have been posting things from Ireland. That's the list I was referring to.

 

[Silurian]

No, no... you listed a wider range of potential sources, which you then ruled out because they wouldn't have been posting things from Ireland. That's the list I was referring to.

If I listed them how can there be a glaring omission.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Eh? Unless I'm missing something, you appear to be asking me how a list can exist that isn't complete?

 

[Kyriakos]

@Silurian Hiding in plain sight.

 

[Silurian]

Eh? Unless I'm missing something, you appear to be asking me how a list can exist that isn't complete?

Well I did ask you this.

Can you think of a group that is likely to post letter bombs from Ireland to the UK.

You have not added to the list, so I can only assume that you agree with the list of likely suspects.
If you had thought another suspect you would have added it, why would you keep your suspicion to yourself.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Yes the point was that the list you gave didn't appear to be a list of "groups likely to post letter bombs from Ireland", given that you proceeded to then use this criterion to rule them out.