Brexit Thread V - The Final Countdown?!?

[Arakhor]

As I understand it, since 2011, new elections can only be caused by specific wording issued in the House of Commons and then voted upon by a two-thirds majority. As it stands, May is immune to her own party's machinations until December (unless she is forced to resign by peer pressure) and the sitting Tory MPs will of course not support a vote of no-confidence in the government, because they might then lose their jobs (shock! horror!) in the forthcoming election.

Depending on how badly the three votes go this week, Parliament may even order the Prime Minister to seek an extension (or even repeal Article 50). I'm not sure how likely that is, but it's clear that May is not alone in the driving seat and may even have lost control of the steering wheel.

 

[Hrothbern]

How about Parliament ordering May to extend Art 50 another year in which Corbyn is to do negotiations with the EU and followed up by a referendum between May's deal and Corbyn's deal

China isnt hated here, is all. And lets not pretend that several eu countries dont do deals with terrible regimes. Remember turkey?

haters gonna hate
shake it off

 

[Verbose]

China isnt hated here, is all. And lets not pretend that several eu countries dont do deals with terrible regimes. Remember turkey?

So Greece only stays with the other EU member states for the money, and to punish them when opportunity presents itself?

Maybe it would be healthier for it to leave? If it actually prefers to be in the wrong alongside China rather than being in the right along with the rest of the EU.

 

[Silurian]

As I understand it, since 2011, new elections can only be caused by specific wording issued in the House of Commons and then voted upon by a two-thirds majority. As it stands, May is immune to her own party's machinations until December (unless she is forced to resign by peer pressure) and the sitting Tory MPs will of course not support a vote of no-confidence in the government, because they might then lose their jobs (shock! horror!) in the forthcoming election.

Depending on how badly the three votes go this week, Parliament may even order the Prime Minister to seek an extension (or even repeal Article 50). I'm not sure how likely that is, but it's clear that May is not alone in the driving seat and may even have lost control of the steering wheel.

A vote of no confidence only only requires 50% + 1 votes to pass. The government has a majority of 3 with the DUP. As you noted the Tory MPs will not vote for an election at a time of Corbyn's choosing.

The 2/3 majority is for a government motion to call an election.

 

[Kyriakos]

So Greece only stays with the other EU member states for the money, and to punish them when opportunity presents itself?

Maybe it would be healthier for it to leave? If it actually prefers to be in the wrong alongside China rather than being in the right along with the rest of the EU.

Yes, if by "for the money" you mean Greece losing 25% of its gdp. /Facepalm

 

[Yeekim]

Yes, if by "for the money" you mean Greece losing 25% of its gdp. /Facepalm

You believe Greek GDP would be higher today if it hadn't joined EU in 1981?

 

[AmazonQueen]

Wrong end of the stick - though I'm sure some nationalists voted leave for mischief.

At the risk of painting a lot of people with the same brush: the typical DUP voter opposed the good Friday agreement (the army should have kept fighting the terrorists, the DUP only got involved in the assembly once they became the biggest party) and backed Brexit (let's make Britain great again).

Basically everyone else backed remain (moderate unionists, neutrals, nationalists)

I think its hard for people in the rest of the UK to understand the DUP (its certainly hard for me ).
I remember watching an interview with a DUP councillor from Belfast. He'd been a shipyard worker and a shop steward and on a lot of issues he made Corbyn or Benn seem right-wing but he managed to combine that with being active in a party that has consistently been to the right of the Tories and usually supported them in Westminster.

 

[Arakhor]

100-1, he was also Protestant.

 

[Silurian]

So how big is May going to loose by this evening.

There is only one group likely to post letter bombs from Ireland to the UK. I commented on some other possibilities noted in the linked reports.
If you wish to add to the list feel free.

@Manfred Belheim it has been confirmed that it was a Republican group.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...ponsibility-for-uk-letter-bombs-idUKKBN1QT1BF

Added May!

 

[Oerdin]

What an abortion. No deal remains the only option.

 

[Arakhor]

Parliament doesn't agree and Brexiters have been historically very happy to trumpet about the essential nature of Parliamentary sovereignty.

 

[Lexicus]

So how big is going to loose by this evening.

Is this supposed to say "How big is May going to lose by this evening?"

 

[Silurian]

DUP and ERG are going to vote against.

 

[Kyriakos]

DUP and ERG are going to vote against.

I like that erg is a thing now.

 

[Arakhor]

DUP and ERG are going to vote against.

Really? What a totally unexpected turn of events.

In related news, apparently May has just had the unmitigated gall to say to the Commons that MPs need to demonstrate that they believe "democracy comes before party faction or personal ambition". So... MPs must, but not the Prime Minister over the last three years, eh?

 

[Kyriakos]

Really? What a totally unexpected turn of events.

A bigger question is if it would pass with duped erga secured.

 

[Arakhor]

That means nothing to me.

 

[Kyriakos]

That means nothing to me.

Would may have a majority if all dup and erg mps vote for her plan - is what it somewhat obviously means.

 

[Silurian]

I like that erg is a thing now.

They have their own whips etc. They are acting as a party within a party.

 

[Kyriakos]

They have their own whips etc. They are acting as a party within a party.

Rich man 's ukip.