I mean, yes. If a country refuses to acknowledge it has a specific issue with the virus, other countries aren't going to know. It is of course the fault of the country refusing to admit anything up until that point, though.
Brexit Thread VIII: Taking a penalty kick-ing
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Uk covering up a Avian flu mutation outbreak and allowing it to spread uncheck to neighboring countries? Someone tell Boris so he can make the UK pay a price /s
I think the UK did the right thing, it was detected but took some time to confirm the new strain, of course subject to the current information.
That transition would be about the fishing quotas only.
(to have some time for EU fishermen for example selling their boats to UK fishermen, or starting touristic activities, etc)
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Yeah, what the bear said above...
Somehow the 3000 privately owned French small-business fishing vessels are going to have to find new fishing-grounds if the British parts of the Channel are off limits to them, or find some novel uses for their boats.
I would expect the UK government (having now re-nationalized the fishing quotas the French fishermen might have thought they had secured by purchase) will then re-sell these quotas to the highest bidders. We might see the mighty Chinese fishing fleet sail up "the Sleeve" in a not too distant future?
And I think the UK government wants to make money here – which is part of why they seem to want not just to re-nationalize the fish, but has also proposed to then inaugurate some kind of annual bidding process on it. Which is an arrangement that only very large, wealthy, and mechanized fishing operations should be expected to go for. Maybe the huge Scottish fishing boats can compete – but then imagine irony should Scotland decide the union has had its day, and leave in turn?
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Can someone tell me again how much is the fish?
As in, how many percents (or is it per mill?) of the economic output is linked to the fishing industry? It just shows that this is all a farce for the court of public opinion, no? Well, I stopped caring (mostly).
As in, how many percents (or is it per mill?) of the economic output is linked to the fishing industry? It just shows that this is all a farce for the court of public opinion, no? Well, I stopped caring (mostly).
I saw reported that the difference between that 25% and 35% (offer EU vs offer UK) is around Sterling 60 million and also that counting all kinds of fish that difference is around Sterling 200 million.
Whatever it is, it is totally peanuts on the current total trade of Sterling 700,000 million.
I favored to have these fish quota outside these negotiations to focus better on a level playing field, but both parties preferred the distraction of the fish.
I guess Bloomberg does not care that much whether there is a fair deal or not as long as there is a deal for the good of the global GDP and business:
mitsho
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You know who will profit from all that? The fish who can continue to live. They are not just a number in front of euros or pounds. They‘re living beings! Think of them! ;-)
Thanks for the numbers
. I‘d also want to say that making the comparison to the transfer prize of a footballer is equal parts European and well - I‘m not allowed to write that in here
Thanks for the numbers
. I‘d also want to say that making the comparison to the transfer prize of a footballer is equal parts European and well - I‘m not allowed to write that in here 
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Where there is no long-term strategy, only short-term gains and losses, brinkmanship pays off.We live in such a world, or at least most certainly in such a group of countries.
Talk now is about fish but that was never the most important. Regulatory alignment already went the way of the dodo. What is the word on the demand about the "level playing field", what horses got traded to unblock that one?
Talk now is about fish but that was never the most important. Regulatory alignment already went the way of the dodo. What is the word on the demand about the "level playing field", what horses got traded to unblock that one?
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Inconsequential to the UK and most EU member states, but likely a Big Deal (tm) to some EEC states like Iceland.
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Much as I dislike the EU, if the reports on its further climb-down on the "level playing field" that I've seen now are correct then this is a deal worth taking for the UK. Basically it will have won the original conflict around the main issues of the deal being fought over, if the UK government takes it. Time enough to tweak it in future years, indeed it allows for that.
If I were a UK MP I would have been voting alongside the arch-euroskeptics refusing the deals all the time up to November, no acceptable offers were made to the UK. But would now be well disposed to look into this deal being talked about now.
Or the UK can risk going out without a deal. Can't assess how much the EU would the twist itself to accommodate different interests in a totally no-deal brexit. Judging from the flexibility of its' red lines' that may be a lot. But it's a risk, there can also be paralysis.
If I were a UK MP I would have been voting alongside the arch-euroskeptics refusing the deals all the time up to November, no acceptable offers were made to the UK. But would now be well disposed to look into this deal being talked about now.
Or the UK can risk going out without a deal. Can't assess how much the EU would the twist itself to accommodate different interests in a totally no-deal brexit. Judging from the flexibility of its' red lines' that may be a lot. But it's a risk, there can also be paralysis.
Iceland is in EFTA and the EEA but not the EU so has no formal say in any of this.
My own country does a lot of fishing in UK waters, but it is economical still inconsequential compared to a shaky deal on the level playing field risks for my country.
Iceland is not member of the EU but of the EFTA. IDK how much they can fish now in UK waters (not or not much ?), but Icelandic companies have bought UK quotas from UK companies just like companies of my country did.
So yes, there are a lot of EU countries fishing in UK waters. One of them, Belgium with centuries old rights with a Charter of King Charles II from 1660. Whereby noted that a clever Belgian deliberately violated in the 60ies or so the EU arrangement with the UK in order to get a court case in the UK, in order to win that case based on that charter. The man was arrested at sea, but then... after some time, the UK dropped the charges !!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55190259
There are a lot of very old rights... and if these prove to be nul and void... so will be a lot of other historical treaties, like the one of Gibraltar (treaty of Utrecht 1713) etc.
All in all... if the fishing quota would have been left out of the main negotiations... a solution would always be found because of historical rights and the need of the UK to sell their fish to Europe, because they don't eat a lot of their "own" fish. Perhaps it would take some time (good for the fish).
And giving some financial aid to EU fishermen during those separate negotiations would be peanuts because it is all peanuts.
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And the UK is already striking its own independent deals with those countries outside the EU. One with Norway at least has already been announced.
Careful there, you are talking war. As in actual war, which has been fought over Gibraltar several times already. It's not the same as fishing rights at all. Gibraltar is a territorial possession, not some trade deal.
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