Can an American please answer a question?

[MobBoss]

How much "ignorance" does it take to willfully overlook the facts when someone is staring right at them?

Why do you assume they are willfully overlooking facts?

Perhaps a lot of them said he was a muslim just to piss people like you off? Maybe its just sarcasm on a large scale?

 

[downtown]

It is beyond ridiculous to not educate the children of undocumented immigrants, which is again why no state has ever tried to not do so no matter how "red" it was.

Alabama is trying to in their most recent immigration bill (which is tied up in the courts). Arizona was attempting to pass a law against it when I was teaching there but it died in committee.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Why do you assume they are willfully overlooking facts?

Perhaps a lot of them said he was a muslim just to piss people like you off? Maybe its just sarcasm on a large scale?

So the vast majority of Republicans in Alabama and Mississippi are deliberately making asinine statements to piss "liberals" off? Is this really your theory in this matter?


Link to video.

 

[downtown]

Forma, the reason they can't is because the federal justice department won't let them. Given the chance, I'm sure almost the South would throw them all of our class tomorrow.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Even this absurd excuse for a bill doesn't block undocumented immigrants from actually attending schools.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/alabama-immigration-law-w_n_1489963.html

The Justice Department sued Alabama last fall over that statute in the state's H.B. 56 -- signed by Republican Gov. Robert Bentley in June -- that requires schools to collect information on the immigration status of students who seek enrollment, though it does not block undocumented students from enrolling in the public school system. A federal appeals court last October blocked the state from implementing the statute, but ruled to stay parts of the law.

But it is having a chilling effect:

Even prior to the Justice Department's probe, widespread reports were already surfacing of Hispanic students vanishing from Alabama's public schools in the wake of the state's immigration crackdown. And amid claims that the law is creating a fearful and distrusting climate in the state, Hispanic students still in school were reporting instances of bullying.

In the Justice Department letter, Perez echoes the sentiment, noting that interviews with students, parents and educators have revealed that some schools have become "less safe and welcoming spaces" for Hispanic students. He writes:

Many Hispanic student reported staying home from or withdrawing from school out of fear that they would be questioned regarding their immigration status, or that of their family members. Hispanic students further reported being singled out to receive notices or attend assemblies about HB 56, based on their actual or perceived national origin or immigration status…. Hispanic children reported increased anxiety and diminished concentration in school, deteriorating grades, and increased hostility, bullying and intimidation. Teachers and administrators reported the detrimental impacts on students, from student absences to precipitous drops in academic engagement and performance.

Alabama Republican state Sen. Scott Beason dismissed Perez's letter in a statement to The Montgomery Advertiser.

"The Department of Justice has already made it clear they're on the side of illegal immigration," Beason said. "Anything they say or do to try to bully the state of Alabama or other states across the country does not surprise me at all."

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

It would restore the balance of power to the level the Constitution intended.

Documents don't have intention, drafters do. And drafters are people, who live in a time to which present-day events and realities give their actions context. Those events and realities are different from our own. If they are applicable, then we should apply them as such. If they are not, then we should disregard them. The Constitutional Convention delegates had real concerns about decentralization of power, from the perspective of unrealistic ability to centralize it. They had previously-independent states to appease and convince to abdicate part of their sovereignty, for whom they had to make provisions which did not wholly extirpate that power. Neither of these are concerns for us, and so the intentions of those men on this issue are irrelevant.

Regarding the issue of "balance of power," there was a very real fear by the aristocratic men who drafted the Constitution and ran the early republic of what the Russians would come to call "народовластно," or "people power." They feared an overly strong body politic more than they feared a despot; the "balance of power" you speak of was created not to reign in the power of the state, but to suppress the power of the average Joe, whom the elite Founding Fathers found dirty, stupid, and otherwise undeserving of complete political power. If The People had power, then they could remove their [the FF's] power, and that was too much to consider, even for forward-thinking men as they.

 

[JollyRoger]

My answer for my state is that we should develop nuclear weapons. It is the only thing Washington respects.

It would restore the balance of power to the level the Constitution intended.

Actually, that would take us back to the Articles of Confederation, you know, before that Federal power grab known as the Constitutional Convention.

 

[timtofly]

Documents don't have intention, drafters do. And drafters are people, who live in a time to which present-day events and realities give their actions context. Those events and realities are different from our own. If they are applicable, then we should apply them as such. If they are not, then we should disregard them. The Constitutional Convention delegates had real concerns about decentralization of power, from the perspective of unrealistic ability to centralize it. They had previously-independent states to appease and convince to abdicate part of their sovereignty, for whom they had to make provisions which did not wholly extirpate that power. Neither of these are concerns for us, and so the intentions of those men on this issue are irrelevant.

Regarding the issue of "balance of power," there was a very real fear by the aristocratic men who drafted the Constitution and ran the early republic of what the Russians would come to call "народовластно," or "people power." They feared an overly strong body politic more than they feared a despot; the "balance of power" you speak of was created not to reign in the power of the state, but to suppress the power of the average Joe, whom the elite Founding Fathers found dirty, stupid, and otherwise undeserving of complete political power. If The People had power, then they could remove their [the FF's] power, and that was too much to consider, even for forward-thinking men as they.

How many times has the electoral college not gone with the popular vote? I do not think that it was designed to keep the "people power" in check. I do not even think that they wanted to keep the people out, unless you think that they just added promises to appease those who could not think. Other than the fact slaves and women could not have a say, most men of the time had a pretty good idea of what was going on because most just participated in a bloody war to obtain such independence. In fact, for the most part of a hundred years they welcomed people to come and live in a land that was the home of the free and the brave. Sadly though there were some elite individuals who saw the need to gradually take away such freedom and the Fed did get out of hand. Greedy capitalist did take over and use the fed for their gainful employ. Soon things were no better, than the opressive lack of representation that brought about freedom to begin with. It was just on a smaller scale and the voice of the people was for the most part silenced.

 

[Ajidica]

So the vast majority of Republicans in Alabama and Mississippi are deliberately making asinine statements to piss "liberals" off? Is this really your theory in this matter?

For the record, that little kerfuffle happened in Minnesota(Stillwater, I believe), not Alabama or Mississippi.

 

[MobBoss]

So the vast majority of Republicans in Alabama and Mississippi are deliberately making asinine statements to piss "liberals" off? Is this really your theory in this matter?

Rofl, its what I do whenever I get those polling calls. I give them the most outrageous comments I can. Why? 'Cause its fun.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Doesn't allowing local jurisdictions to alter federal laws seems to go against the whole definition of "federal"? I respect that some issues need to be dealt with on a local level, but once something has been dealt with on a federal level, changes should be made on that same level (in my mind anyway).

I guess you could think of it as the American version of our "Notwithstanding Clause."

@ Formy
Are you trying to brain wash people into believing this Muslim Kenyan?

Obama is neither Muslim nor Kenyan.

Can you name one thing that would indicate he is?

Would a genuine Muslim take the Presidential oath of office with his hand on a bible? I don't think so.

If going to church and saying you are one is the only indication, we can all be christians. I am not sure that I have ever claimed to be one.

Has Obama ever gone to a mosque and claimed to be Muslim?

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Obama has distinct Semitic features.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

My mother has distinct Irish features. That doesn't mean she's Catholic.

 

[timtofly]

I guess you could think of it as the American version of our "Notwithstanding Clause."


Obama is neither Muslim nor Kenyan.


Would a genuine Muslim take the Presidential oath of office with his hand on a bible? I don't think so.


Has Obama ever gone to a mosque and claimed to be Muslim?

Are you sure about that? It seems that the second attempt, he forgot the Bible down the hall, but thought that it was not important to find one? Did the flubbed one count? Or did the second one? If the flubbed one counted why do it over again? I am not going to hold him to the office based on the Bible, but seems that he may be the first Pres to avoid using one.

Obama has probably "prayed" in a mosque as often as he has in a church.

 

[Formaldehyde]

For the record, that little kerfuffle happened in Minnesota(Stillwater, I believe), not Alabama or Mississippi.

That hardly disproves the fact that such willful ignorance or lack of intelligence on the part of so many Republicans, no matter the state, obviously has nothing to do with trolling. The only real difference would be the accent.

 

[G-Max]

If states are allowed to make their own immigration laws, does that not potentially infringe on every Americans right to free movement throughout the country?

The right to freedom of movement between states was guaranteed under the Articles of Confederation, but seems to be absent from the Constitution. If Colorado wanted to seal off its borders because of a mad cow outbreak in neighboring Wyoming, they could do that. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Defending and defining the country's border is a federal matter, by definition, isn't it?

Yes, and our military is doing a fine job of keeping the Mexican and Canadian armed forces out of our country.

 

[wilycoyote]

The right to freedom of movement between states was guaranteed under the Articles of Confederation, but seems to be absent from the Constitution. If Colorado wanted to seal off its borders because of a mad cow outbreak in neighboring Wyoming, they could do that. I don't see what's wrong with that.



Yes, and our military is doing a fine job of keeping the Mexican and Canadian armed forces out of our country.

No they couldn't. ALL interstate affairs are subject to federal government oversight. Utah could never decide that they hate Californians and close their common border.

 

[warpus]

Rofl, its what I do whenever I get those polling calls. I give them the most outrageous comments I can. Why? 'Cause its fun.

Ahh, right, all those people claiming that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim for the last 4 years were just screwing around



Brilliant hypothesis there

 

[wilycoyote]

Are you sure about that? It seems that the second attempt, he forgot the Bible down the hall, but thought that it was not important to find one? Did the flubbed one count? Or did the second one? If the flubbed one counted why do it over again? I am not going to hold him to the office based on the Bible, but seems that he may be the first Pres to avoid using one.

Obama has probably "prayed" in a mosque as often as he has in a church.

I don't care if Obama believes in Voodoo or Paganism. Why does it matter? Aren't his actions the appropriate metric to use in evaluating him.

 

[classical_hero]

You mean besides the fact that he is known to have attended various Christian churches much of his life? That he has repeatedly stated he is a Christian?

How do I know you are one?

As if I would trust you to know what a Christian is. How about someone who follows Christ's teachings? If you don't follow Christ's teachings then you are not a follower of Christ. Is that a simple enough definition?