Can an American please answer a question?

[Antilogic]

Mechanically unnecessary, perhaps, but very necessary from a symbolic point of view, making sure that the President (bearing in mind that the first President had just replaced a King as Head of State) is emphatically placed as the servant of the people rather than as a potential tyrant.

Maybe, but the wording in this case is quite unambiguous as to when the President's term begins (and it's not when the oath of office is administered). A rarity for the US Constitution, I know, but it does happen.

 

[timtofly]

I have so far resisted commenting in this thread, but now I feel the need to issue some corrections:

1. John Quincy Adams was sworn into office on a law book, not a Bible.

2. Neither of the oaths of office count as the start of his term. The 20th Amendment to the Constitution says the prior President's term ends (and the President-Elect's begins) on noon of inauguration day. The oath is theatre and unnecessary.

Thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected.

california aint screwed up because politicians cant grab more $$$ from property "owners"



if thats true, wouldn't that make him the 1st prez to actually follow Jesus' teachings?

Jesus condemned oath taking, and praying in public and churches - open displays of piety didn't impress him. Let your yes be yes and your no be no...

I think that it would be interesting to note that Muslims have stuck to that more than Christians have, but not my point.

Actually I have heard, but cannot remember the specifics, that there is a clause that would release those, as in a court of law, that they do not have to use the wording of an oath, but cannot recall the exact wording.

 

[Formaldehyde]

As if I would trust you to know what a Christian is. How about someone who follows Christ's teachings? If you don't follow Christ's teachings then you are not a follower of Christ. Is that a simple enough definition?

Why should I trust you to know what a Christian is?

And according to that definition Obama is clearly a Christian. So why is it so difficult for so many Republicans to comprehend?

 

[Core Imposter]

Anyone can be a Christian of the sort that comes from just saying you are one.

Obama isn't a real Christian because he supports abortion law. Anyone who supports the murder of innocents and says he is a Christian is a liar and a servant of Satan.

Ergo, Obama is proved a servant of Satan. Period. Along with many of you also.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Anyone can be a Christian of the sort that comes from just saying you are one.

Obama isn't a real Christian because he supports abortion law. Anyone who supports the murder of innocents and says he is a Christian is a liar and a servant of Satan.

Ergo, Obama is proved a servant of Satan. Period. Along with many of you also.

Yawn....

 

[Formaldehyde]

Ah, a "real" Christian like so many in this forum who claim to be but apparently aren't, at least on that basis.

Does "Judge not lest ye be judged" ring any bells?

 

[Lord of Elves]

Anyone can be a Christian of the sort that comes from just saying you are one.

Obama isn't a real Christian because he supports abortion law. Anyone who supports the murder of innocents and says he is a Christian is a liar and a servant of Satan.

Ergo, Obama is proved a servant of Satan. Period. Along with many of you also.

Satan seems like a pretty chill dude, guys.

 

[downtown]

Which would distinguish her from a legal low-income resident....how exactly? If anything, that would make her less likely to be an illegal, since she would also have to fabricate paperwork.

MisterCooper? Chiteng?

 

[Core Imposter]

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off , even as many as the Lord our God shall call . And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

 

[Core Imposter]

Many illegals are Christians.

 

[downtown]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Save_Ferris]

The topic of Christianity has nothing to do with immigration. Forma brought it up as an example of ignorance/stupidity (that's where we differ) on the conservative voters who enforce said laws.

Anyone can be a Christian of the sort that comes from just saying you are one.

Obama isn't a real Christian because he supports abortion law. Anyone who supports the murder of innocents and says he is a Christian is a liar and a servant of Satan.

Ergo, Obama is proved a servant of Satan. Period. Along with many of you also.

Last time I checked, Christianity can be defined by belief in Jesus so...

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I'm assuming the lack of a quotation implies you mean in general

 

[MobBoss]

Why should I trust you to know what a Christian is?

And according to that definition Obama is clearly a Christian. So why is it so difficult for so many Republicans to comprehend?

Obama claims to be a Christian. You dont know his heart.

Does "Judge not lest ye be judged" ring any bells?

A tree will be known by its fruit.

 

[Cutlass]

That is not what I said, but I will bite. It is what people do in a mosque, cathedral, or your run of the mill protestantism, that I am referring to.

So in other words you have absolutely nothing to even suggest the possibility that he might have prayed in a mosque or not be a Christian.

 

[downtown]

I'm assuming the lack of a quotation implies you mean in general

I think I understand him about half the time.

It's a pity all this Christian blah blah derailed the thread....I think my question is pretty important for immigration, and immigration attitudes. How can the public get upset at an illegal if they have no idea if a person they see is illegal or not? How can you possibly know the citizenship or paperwork status of people you just see in the store?

If you just assume that every poor person of latino extraction is an illegal (like I suspect many Americans do), then that would be ignorant at best. Perhaps the others have some special crime-fighting powers.

 

[MobBoss]

So in other words you have absolutely nothing to even suggest the possibility that he might have prayed in a mosque or not be a Christian.

Uhm, Obama himself admitted in his book to going to a muslim school for 4 years as a child in Indonesia. Do you think it outside the realm of possibility that he prayed in a mosque then?

 

[Save_Ferris]

I think I understand him about half the time.

It's a pity all this Christian blah blah derailed the thread....I think my question is pretty important for immigration, and immigration attitudes. How can the public get upset at an illegal if they have no idea if a person they see is illegal or not? How can you possibly know the citizenship or paperwork status of people you just see in the store?

If you just assume that every poor person of latino extraction is an illegal (like I suspect many Americans do), then that would be ignorant at best. Perhaps the others have some special crime-fighting powers.

The problem is that for the most part, illegal immigrants are poor Latinos. America has a huge problem with labeling. One Muslim blows up a building, and suddenly they're all evil.

 

[MobBoss]

The problem is that for the most part, illegal immigrants are poor Latinos. America has a huge problem with labeling. One Muslim blows up a building, and suddenly they're all evil.

Ah...if it were only one....sadly, we have thousands of examples of Muslim's blowing up buildings, or being suicide bombers.

I agree, if it were only one, it would be a problem with labeling. Sadly, its not just one. Its thousands.

 

[Cutlass]

Uhm, Obama himself admitted in his book to going to a muslim school for 4 years as a child in Indonesia. Do you think it outside the realm of possibility that he prayed in a mosque then?

Do you have evidence? Because the other guy clearly did not.